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Old 06-23-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Another friendly reminder: This thread was started by a troll with the hope of you wasting your energy here. Let it fall to last place.

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How many people on this thread are expressing that they will vote yes. This is not a discussion, it's a lecture.

But, it gives the impression there are a lot of people are on here that are going to vote yes.


There are not.

We should let this one fall down the list....
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Old 06-23-2015 | 02:13 PM
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Another friendly reminder, along with NewK: This thread was started by a troll with the hope of you wasting your energy here. Let it fall to last place.

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Old 06-23-2015 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Woofers
I agree. Some are obsessed with my original post because it provides a different point of view. I didn't mean for them to be drawn into it like one of those spinning pinwheel vortex things. Yet here we are, 15 pages later....

But having said that, what are your better ideas? I asked earlier, no one has wanted to answer. Profit sharing intact, same raise? Or 20% raise, ps intact, status quo on sick and LCA? Ideas? Or just whining with numbers to back the whining up? Seriously, what do you want to extract -exactly- if this is voted down?
I still haven't digested the whole thing. As a matter of fact, I find it interesting that so many could look at it for 2 days (I am being generous) and make their unequivocal decision. I still need more information.
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Old 06-23-2015 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I still haven't digested the whole thing. As a matter of fact, I find it interesting that so many could look at it for 2 days (I am being generous) and make their unequivocal decision. I still need more information.
Anyone else figure out that under the current contract that if you go over 100 hours of sick leave not only will the company ask you to verify but they can also ask for a medical release. Under the new TA the medical release doesn't happen until 24 missed work days. The current contract doesn't have any language on keeping records, good or bad.
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Old 06-23-2015 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Another friendly reminder, along with NewK: This thread was started by a troll with the hope of you wasting your energy here. Let it fall to last place.

Carl
Hey Carl! Ain't your thread!

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Old 06-23-2015 | 02:43 PM
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I've since changed my mind on the TA. After hearing about the economic headwinds we are facing I'm worried about Delta's financial future. I am terribly afraid that this TA could end up actually costing the company money depending on what happens with future profits. I can't in good conscience vote for anything that could hurt Delta. I was originally a no vote because it's a concessionary POS in a time of record profits. Now I'm VOTING NO to protect Delta from itself.

I would also like to start a movement to disband the union all together and just let management dictate pay and work rules as they see fit. At least this way we get to keep our dues that are being used to pay company mouth pieces to sell us this historic contract. Would it be possible to see the pay charts if we get to keep our dues?

Why all the fuss about the medical records. If you don't have anything to hide then why should you be worried. Come to think of it, we should apply the same logic to all aspects of our lives. Let's get rid of our constitutional protections because those are only there to protect the guilty SOBs that hide behind them.

Oh and seniority. This seniority thing is crazy. Everyone is mad because the new LCA rules would violate seniority. Who cares if you've been at the Delta 25 years longer than me. I think we should all have management reviews twice a year that dictate our standing in the company. If my reviews are in the top tier I could be a wide body capt in no time.
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Old 06-23-2015 | 03:00 PM
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What's scary Line, I flew with a few pilots that were worried that the 2012 contract was going to cost the company too much money!!!
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Old 06-23-2015 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Woofers
I agree. Some are obsessed with my original post because it provides a different point of view. I didn't mean for them to be drawn into it like one of those spinning pinwheel vortex things. Yet here we are, 15 pages later....

But having said that, what are your better ideas? I asked earlier, no one has wanted to answer. Profit sharing intact, same raise? Or 20% raise, ps intact, status quo on sick and LCA? Ideas? Or just whining with numbers to back the whining up? Seriously, what do you want to extract -exactly- if this is voted down?
First, let's be clear, it's not a raise.

Profit sharing is intact...today.

Extract? The company came to us. They are the ones doing the extracting here...troll.
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Old 06-23-2015 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Otto Lilienthal
On behalf of myself and many of the female pilots at Delta, we are solid no on this TA. It's not even 1/4 of what it should have been. Big let down. Shame on you Donatelli and those selling this thing!
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So, ah, hey, I'm a pilot...how do you like me so far.
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Old 06-23-2015 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187
Anyone else figure out that under the current contract that if you go over 100 hours of sick leave not only will the company ask you to verify but they can also ask for a medical release. Under the new TA the medical release doesn't happen until 24 missed work days. The current contract doesn't have any language on keeping records, good or bad.
but you get to voluntarily verify your sick leave anytime you want under the current PWA, so you can have 100 hours of unverified sick at any time. BIG difference, especially when you have a major illness upfront, but a slight headcold later on that they wont accept verification for.
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