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Old 08-03-2015 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
Of Course the Company won't say its cost neutral, UNTIL the first press conference after said TA is signed. There are two reports from both Barrons and Zach's that say its worse than cost neutral, its cost negative. I have posted them before, don't make me go look for them again!
Go look for them. The numbers were totally wrong. The quote I just posted is not from the company. It's from the joint letter put out by the 8 NO VOTERS who had access to all the costing data.
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Old 08-03-2015 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go look for them. The numbers were totally wrong. The quote I just posted is not from the company. It's from the joint letter put out by the 8 NO VOTERS who had access to all the costing data.
Sailing,

Have you rethought your assessment of the failed TA's sick leave changes?

It was much worse, wasn't it?
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Old 08-03-2015 | 09:16 AM
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Sailing,

Have you rethought your assessment of the failed TA's sick leave changes?

It was much worse, wasn't it?
The sick section is why I voted no. The part I was posting was on the requirement to release medical records which was put out as all new massive change to our sick program. In fact I now know it's been around in every contract since at least 1990. I have not heard of a single case in all those years where something dire happened as a result. I am fine with that section. What I dont like is the verification section.
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Old 08-03-2015 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The sick section is why I voted no. The part I was posting was on the requirement to release medical records which was put out as all new massive change to our sick program. In fact I now know it's been around in every contract since at least 1990. I have not heard of a single case in all those years where something dire happened as a result. I am fine with that section. What I dont like is the verification section.
But, after our discussion, you see that the failed TA's medical release policy was a massive change to our sick program, right?

The TA kept good faith basis for requesting a medical release and added the medical release threshold to go along with it.


Did someone tell you that the good faith basis went away? Or, is that something you just assumed?
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Old 08-03-2015 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
But, after our discussion, you see that the failed TA's medical release policy was a massive change to our sick program, right?

The TA kept good faith basis for requesting a medical release and added the medical release threshold to go along with it.


Did someone tell you that the good faith basis went away? Or, is that something you just assumed?
I have been told it went away and from reading it feel that's what it said. Either way I don't see it as a big deal. The company does everything in its power to keep pilots off disability. Forcing pilots onto disability would be just plain stupid. Talk to pilots who have had real career threatening sick issues and I think you will find the vast majority if not all felt they had outstanding support from the company and Dalpa. I know one person right now in remission from Cancer. The company has bent over backwards to provide assistance.
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Old 08-03-2015 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have been told it went away and from reading it feel that's what it said. Either way I don't see it as a big deal. The company does everything in its power to keep pilots off disability. Forcing pilots onto disability would be just plain stupid. Talk to pilots who have had real career threatening sick issues and I think you will find the vast majority if not all felt they had outstanding support from the company and Dalpa. I know one person right now in remission from Cancer. The company has bent over backwards to provide assistance.
Whoever told you that is wrong. Were they the same people who told you the "No side" was spreading bad information?
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Old 08-03-2015 | 01:18 PM
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Sailing,
In the not to distant future, you and I are going to be working for Bastian. I want protections in place, not what the janitor told you he thought our sick leave might be.
KISS principle always works, this section shouldn't be like Chinese arithmetic.

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Old 08-03-2015 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Question 3: Would you prefer the money saved by the company under TA15 spent on:

1. Stock buy backs
2. Dividends
3. Foreign air carrier investments as long as it's not ME
4. Increased executive compensation
5. All of the above. Is there an address where I can send additional funds to help?
I am good with 1 and 2. 3 is bad, but it helps my investments.
4. meh. 5. covered it above.

Standing by for incoming.
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Old 08-03-2015 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
I am good with 1 and 2. 3 is bad, but it helps my investments.
4. meh. 5. covered it above.

Standing by for incoming.
Sold my Delta stock a few months ago, bought American stock instead. Never invest in your own company stock, the emotion gets in the way.
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Old 08-03-2015 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Sold my Delta stock a few months ago, bought American stock instead. Never invest in your own company stock, the emotion gets in the way.
You don't work for Delta do you?

I own AAL and LUV as well.
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