100% agree. Nice guy, but wrong guy.

Carl

 

50+ million per year Bob. Other than that, agree completely.

Carl

 

Not now nor have I ever been a check airman. Where do you guys keep coming up with all the fiction?

 

I guess you are not the George I was looking for. Doesn't change the rest of what I said. You are roll over and play dead kind of guy. You do no good to this pilot group always pushing management arguments.

 

And those arguing that would be correct.

 

Sailing,

Really? You're comparing the rise in stock price to the "NO" vote?



You know the gain in our stock price on July 10th had NOTHING to do with the outcome of our vote. IIRC, the results of our vote weren't even released until after the market had closed, or close to it anyway.

The rise in stock prices on the day voting ended was ONLY coincidental and mostly due to the declining worries of Greece's economy and China.

Elliot

 

You've identified yourself as George in the past, and there is an NYC LCA who has participated in other forums- it was thought you were him.

 

My 'Flight Standards' lanyard wearing brother - or is it an ALPA lanyard??? Or....is it George. Either way:

It's agreed then since you say the best and brightest won't participate. OBTW > = FUD

1. Ari Emanuel: Co-CEO of Willaim Morris Endeavor

2. Gary Kohlman: lead counsel for the NBA players Association.

3. Neil Shwartz and Jonathon Feinsod: Schwartz and Feinsod - in the NFL, they are considered the best Attorneys for using leverage. Currently represent Darrelle Revis

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/07/23/dar...-new-york-jets

Pick one.

Even if they are high on Spice and Oxy, and have pulled an all nightier at The Cheetah before showing up to negotiate, it's likely they could do exponentially better than the ALPA attorneys, and, definitely more so than the pilots who have been through the quickie course.

 

Money isn’t Revis’s favorite subject, but it’s not one he can avoid.

He’s the most modern of modern athletes, an unsentimental businessman who demands to be paid exactly what he thinks he’s worth.

Through eight seasons Revis has banked $85 million. He’s earned more than all but two players in his 2007 draft class: Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas, who play two of the highest-paid positions in football, receiver and left tackle. Three-time All-Pro running back Adrian Peterson has made $13 million less.

If Revis were a lawyer, an entrepreneur or a hedge-fund manager, he would be lauded for his business acumen and negotiating skills. But in the world of pro football he’s seen as someone who refuses hometown discounts and holds teams hostage to boost his salary. Depending on who’s talking, he’s a genius or an All-Pro for hire (there’s that mercenary thing again) or simply an -outlier—sometimes all three at once.

Revis wrestles with the logic of NFL economics. Teams will cut under-performing players or tear up contracts after poor seasons, but when those same players exceed expectations, teams ask them to honor whatever agreement they signed. Franchises that win the most (see: Patriots, New England) ask their best performers to play for less money so they can sign even more top talent and continue to win and continue to sign more players . . . at a discount . . . to win more games. “We’re fighting against 32 billionaires,” Revis says. “A lot of guys are brainwashed, feeding into the system. It’s genius how the NFL did it.”

Revis sees the NFL as he does any other business. It’s a fallacy that all anyone wants to do is win. Everyone wants to win, but also to cash in—and not necessarily in that order. He knows that sounds selfish. He doesn’t expect sympathy. The NFL Players Association, he points out, bargained for the current labor agreement, one that Revis has worked to his advantage the way few non-QBs have.

On the plane to Vegas, (taking team mates to the FM MP fight) Revis bantered about being envious of “how the NBA does business,” Revis says, referring mostly to the guaranteed money in that league’s contracts. “We’re really jealous of that.

“If only this was the NBA.”


In 1997, when he was 12, Revis lived in Aliquippa, Pa., a depressed former steel-mill town outside Pittsburgh. His uncle, Sean Gilbert, was in town that fall, which was strange because Gilbert was a Pro Bowl defensive tackle who’d been taken with the third pick in the ’92 draft.

Gilbert would play 11 NFL seasons, but not one snap in 1997. He staged a holdout against the Redskins that year before signing a seven-year, $47 million deal with the Panthers. Revis’s approach to football finance took shape right then, based on two concepts that his uncle employed: leverage and pressure. Gilbert’s talent produced leverage; his willingness to withhold that talent applied pressure. “Most players, the shield blinds them,” Gilbert says. “They feel privileged to play this game. They don’t realize they’ve been building their résumé. They’re qualified. This is their job. They’re assets.”

 

Well it outperformed the S&P 500 almost gains by almost 3 to 1 and outperformed American and UAL that day. The results were out 2 hours before the market closed. The news certainly had no negative impact.