Do not vote Joe Thomas for C44
10-11-2015, 04:34 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
It also makes it more difficult for sick people to call in sick. I have no doubt that if we give management a carte Blanche authorization to use any "designee" to determine whether we are sick or not and thus determine if we get paid or not for that sick time, some guys won't take the chance of calling in sick and will just show up to work. I don't want to work next to that guy. I don't want to get sick on a trip because of that.
I'd rather lose a little profit sharing and make sure everyone is happy and healthy when they show up to work.
Your arguments are weak Joe, and I hope you don't actually think that you have any chance of representing us.
Try a different route to a management job if you want one, cause this one ain't it. Sorry
I'd rather lose a little profit sharing and make sure everyone is happy and healthy when they show up to work.
Your arguments are weak Joe, and I hope you don't actually think that you have any chance of representing us.
Try a different route to a management job if you want one, cause this one ain't it. Sorry
10-11-2015, 04:36 PM
#102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 351
Originally Posted by Barca
The data was a bar graph showing monthly sick leave hours ( starting Jan '10 ) that was part of the TA roadshow power point presentation and was also included in the handout available as you entered the room for the brief. The data is available for all to see.
So you are talking about data our banished MEC handed to us to prove the company's point during the shameful cram down/dues wasting road show to educate us on how fraudulent our fellow pilots are so we accept a consession filled TA? (Takes a deep breath from the run on sentence
) PLEEEEEEEAAAAASE!
10-11-2015, 05:12 PM
#104
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Posts: 4,202
Originally Posted by Barca
The only people it will be harder for are the abusers. If you are sick, call in sick. If need be get verification and if the company questions that, your ALPA rep will be there to represent you.
Are you one of Jim Graham's boys?
I'm done pretending you are relevant.
Last edited by Scoop; 10-11-2015 at 10:32 PM.
10-11-2015, 06:11 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
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Posts: 962
So I'm just a poolie but my buddy at SWA said that if you are sick you call skeds with your employee ID number and say I can't fly I'm sick. Done.
seems to me like this is pretty simple and the company can budget for all people to use 100%. Otherwise the enforcement starts to cost more than the payouts.
seems to me like this is pretty simple and the company can budget for all people to use 100%. Otherwise the enforcement starts to cost more than the payouts.
10-11-2015, 07:10 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
I think it's interesting that the "spin" on the sick leave verification has changed in the last few days. There appears to be an effort to keep the TA15 sick language in whatever new TA comes forward.
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
10-11-2015, 07:50 PM
#107
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by Ferd149
I think it's interesting that the "spin" on the sick leave verification has changed in the last few days. There appears to be an effort to keep the TA15 sick language in whatever new TA comes forward.
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
Fools will be fools.
Btw- the 190s have not been moved on and no cancellations of any 737 orders/options by DL have occurred.
10-11-2015, 08:57 PM
#109
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Originally Posted by Ferd149
I think it's interesting that the "spin" on the sick leave verification has changed in the last few days. There appears to be an effort to keep the TA15 sick language in whatever new TA comes forward.
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
We seem to have moved from
- You're too lazy to get a Dr note
to
- How can support those who abuse the sick leave system. Just look at the data, it's real.
We need to find a system that will be acceptable to the pilot group. I would suggest it's a stop on the pathway to "yes".
Ferd,
You know what has really happened?
DALPA and the company have added 1/3 of the entire pilot group to the list of pilots that realizes the universe won't implode if you vote no.
When you remove the fear of a no vote (which I think exists) you now actually have to come back with something good or you get no again.
10-11-2015, 10:12 PM
#110
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Barca
Why this one issue? Because the changes were so reasonable and, if implemented, moved toward putting more money in our pockets.
Originally Posted by Barca
Why would we want to continue to make it easy for sick leave abuse,
Originally Posted by Barca
which both sides agree needs to be addressed, to continue?
Carl
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