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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Barca
Calling in sick when you are not then getting paid for it is fraud. You may not like the data but Delta and the Union agree it shows there is a problem that, as a part an agreement, needs to be addressed. I agree that it is the Union's job to support and defend members who work under/within the PWA. If you commit fraud in terms of sick leave abuse and are caught you don't give the Union anything to work with in your defense.
I'd seriously like to see the data of which you speak. Accountants and lawyers can manipulate numbers to meet their agenda. Additionally, Dalpa wanted an agreement 6 months early to use a TVM argument in favor of the TA. TVM is a valid argument, but weighed against the rest of the TA, not so much.

Dalpa's stance on this and other issues is a big reason line pilots are even considering another union. Plus, the arrogant insiders embedded in Dalpa. Do you guys even talk to real line pilots or presume you know what's best?
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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:17 AM
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I'm not familiar with the current contract as I have no dog in this fight, just a curious bystander, but the quickest way to fix fraudulent sick calls is to have no limit on the amount of sick leave you carry over and at retirement get 100% credit for unused sick time. Of course, that costs money, so I'd guess they'll stick with intimidation.
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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotc90a
It is pretty clear its Mr Thomas. New profile, only posts on this thread, clarifies the points in his nomination letter, only one defending him...

What isn't clear is why he is so intent on carrying managements water on this one issue. He says those pilots are stealing from his profit sharing check. I wonder exactly how much fraudulent sick claims cost each of us. It might be in the low tens of dollars!
Joe has laid out his position on different issues by way of his campaign letters. Very well thought out, logical with data to back up his thinking. So, no, I'm not him. He doesn't need my help.

Why this one issue? Because the changes were so reasonable and, if implemented, moved toward putting more money in our pockets. Why would we want to continue to make it easy for sick leave abuse, which both sides agree needs to be addressed, to continue?
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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Barca
You have already been to the Doctor twice, don't see the big deal of a third visit 6 months later under the new policy which preserved the amount of sick leave and added to the benefit.
Well, this is where you differ from a lot of us. I DO find it a big deal. $150 for an office visit plus my time when I don't need to go to the doctor is unnecessary.

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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Barca
Members who commit sick leave abuse steal from the pilot group by way of added costs associated with their fraud which diminish our profit sharing checks. The verification modifications were an attempt to reduce that fraud ( costs ). One very tangible benefit would have been larger profit sharing checks for us all.
I don't believe there are abusers. If there are, the number is so small it's neglible. If you're sick, call in sick. Obviously how sick you are is a line of contention. It's a line pilots look at as being fine while the company looks at as being blurred.

There are 2 sides to the negotiating table. We have one side, they have the other. The fact that we are even arguing this amongst ourselves shows that the company strategy is working. They are dividing us and getting some of our pilots to actually root against us.
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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Barca
Joe has laid out his position on different issues by way of his campaign letters. Very well thought out, logical with data to back up his thinking. So, no, I'm not him. He doesn't need my help.

Why this one issue? Because the changes were so reasonable and, if implemented, moved toward putting more money in our pockets. Why would we want to continue to make it easy for sick leave abuse, which both sides agree needs to be addressed, to continue?
Who said BOTH SIDES agree it needs to be addressed? I don't think that's true.
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Old 10-11-2015 | 06:56 AM
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ummm....a little explanation may be in order. you are conflicted about the "both" sides agreeing to it being addressed only because you assume alpa and the pilot group are on the 'same' side.

I have NO doubt "both" sides agreed it needed to be 'addressed'.....the both sides being management...and alpa.
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Old 10-11-2015 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by crazy pills
I'm not familiar with the current contract as I have no dog in this fight, just a curious bystander, but the quickest way to fix fraudulent sick calls is to have no limit on the amount of sick leave you carry over and at retirement get 100% credit for unused sick time. Of course, that costs money, so I'd guess they'll stick with intimidation.
Why do people try to interject common sense into a perfectly good internet argument?
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Old 10-11-2015 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Well, this is where you differ from a lot of us. I DO find it a big deal. $150 for an office visit plus my time when I don't need to go to the doctor is unnecessary.

Denny
On this we can agree. I call in sick when I am sick and don't expect to need a note from mom. If however everyone did that there would not even be a discussion on the subject.
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Old 10-11-2015 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by crazy pills
I'm not familiar with the current contract as I have no dog in this fight, just a curious bystander, but the quickest way to fix fraudulent sick calls is to have no limit on the amount of sick leave you carry over and at retirement get 100% credit for unused sick time. Of course, that costs money, so I'd guess they'll stick with intimidation.
Then you incentivise people to fly when they really are sick. The proposal to credit a pilot's enhanced disability account with a portion of unused sick leave was a move in the direction of a bank.

Don't abuse sick leave, the Union can defend you and you can't be intimidated.
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