Do not vote Joe Thomas for C44
10-10-2015 | 05:16 PM
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10-10-2015 | 06:43 PM
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Or just maybe one could be angry with a management that bought another airline, hosed 4,000 pilots out of an earned sick bank benefit, and naively thought that they would play nice.
This sick leave "mess", that they want to fix, is a problem they created. I don't feel compelled to change/give up my time/forfeit my privacy to help them out.
I find the changes in C12 to be a PITA. I will not vote to make it worse.
This sick leave "mess", that they want to fix, is a problem they created. I don't feel compelled to change/give up my time/forfeit my privacy to help them out.
I find the changes in C12 to be a PITA. I will not vote to make it worse.
10-10-2015 | 07:25 PM
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10-10-2015 | 07:36 PM
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You have already been to the Doctor twice, don't see the big deal of a third visit 6 months later under the new policy which preserved the amount of sick leave and added to the benefit.
As far as the PITA factor, the people to get angry at are the members who abuse sick leave and drive the creation of policies to stem it.
As far as the PITA factor, the people to get angry at are the members who abuse sick leave and drive the creation of policies to stem it.
So going to the Dr. is not a big deal for you - fair enough, it is a big deal to me.
You know what is not a big deal to me - flying under C2012 as long as it takes. Whether that is three more months or three years - no biggie.
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10-11-2015 | 12:07 AM
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This is a good point.
I think we had a sick bank flyback at brand X that helped with the lower number of hours per year. I never used it so someone else needs to weigh in on the details.
Lets say you call in sick for a 5 day (or larger) trip but the sniffles go away sooner than that. You could call in well, pick up a trip that touches the footprint of the trip you called in sick for and pay yourself back the sick time for a future disaster.
Not that it's my job to fix the companies theoretical sick abuse problem, but that may help that problem too
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I think we had a sick bank flyback at brand X that helped with the lower number of hours per year. I never used it so someone else needs to weigh in on the details.
Lets say you call in sick for a 5 day (or larger) trip but the sniffles go away sooner than that. You could call in well, pick up a trip that touches the footprint of the trip you called in sick for and pay yourself back the sick time for a future disaster.
Not that it's my job to fix the companies theoretical sick abuse problem, but that may help that problem too
Ferd
10-11-2015 | 03:27 AM
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Management AND ALPA agreed to the changes in C12 that effected the sick leave bank and how any balance of the bank would be handled going forward. The "mess" that needs cleaned up is a result of members committing fraud. This fraud has many costs to us all, only one of which is reduced profit sharing. The tightened verification was a step toward eliminating this fraud.
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10-11-2015 | 04:30 AM
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Management AND ALPA agreed to the changes in C12 that effected the sick leave bank and how any balance of the bank would be handled going forward. The "mess" that needs cleaned up is a result of members committing fraud. This fraud has many costs to us all, only one of which is reduced profit sharing. The tightened verification was a step toward eliminating this fraud.
10-11-2015 | 05:43 AM
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What isn't clear is why he is so intent on carrying managements water on this one issue. He says those pilots are stealing from his profit sharing check. I wonder exactly how much fraudulent sick claims cost each of us. It might be in the low tens of dollars!
10-11-2015 | 05:53 AM
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You sir are either a management mole/wannabe or so deep in the Moaksters arse you can't see straight. Calling fellow pilots frauds is low, I hope you are never in a union position. I don't know or care what the "data" says I never saw it nor care to. We negotiated a contract in 2012 and it's our unions duty to support and defend it's member who work under it. Trying to solve managements problems while blaming un-named pilots is disgusting.
10-11-2015 | 06:04 AM
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What costs us all is the company buying back stock, losing their asses in fuel hedges, paying other employees well in excess of prebankruptcy wages, etc. all before making us whole. Other pilots' actions do not hurt us. The company's sick leave data is manufactured to show us in the worst possible light. It is a negotiating strategy for the company to erode our benefits. Let me say it again. It is a NEGOTIATING STRATEGY AGAINST US. The company feels our current sick leave policy is industry leading and they aren't content with any sections of our contract being industry leading hence the attack on sick leave.
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