RockyBoy

I think it was even nosier than the brazilia! I still see the 175/190 pilots wearing DC's so I wonder how much they worked on that.

Any airplane that requires David Clarks to not go deaf is going to be on my Do Not Bid list.....I still remember the sweaty plastic ear cups on those dang things. I finally got some foam covers. After that, they wouldn't slide on my sweaty head.....just had to dry out the covers on the layover.

John Carr

I always thought it was window and wiper combo.

Thought the Legacy uses some different pieces and is a quieter ride.

DAL73n

Never assume you'll bid out of something when you need to. While the last few years of expansion have been great for new guys this stuff can come screeching to a halt in a minute (think we're not vulnerable to another big terrorist attack).

DAL73n

Major violation. During negotiations both sides are required to maintain a Status Quo which means the rate of white slips, green slips, sick leave use (and a bunch of other things) can't vary from its historical norms. APA (American) got a fine of somewhere around $50-100 Million for a violation of the Status Quo. You can't even suggest it on a bulletin board.

Rahlifer

The main complaints are actually passenger cabin stuff. Many cabin fixtures are very cheap and flimsy, especially in the Lavs. Things just seem to wear out and break way too quickly and often. The airplane itself is nice and comfy to fly, just watch your knees in a crosswind or that yoke will cap ya!

MikeF16

It would be a violation. When DAL pilots were refusing OT in 2000 the union advised AGAINST that policy and they still got sued by DAL. The decision was ludicrous from my very strong common sense background and complete lack of legal bee effing ess background. If you care to read the synopsis here it is: DELTA AIR LINES INC v. AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL | FindLaw

That said, the union won't have to say squat, because anybody past year 3 won't bid captain (with the exception of instructors who are paid at what they can hold) and almost no FOs will will bid it. You might see captain slots going to guys in indoc, you'll definitely see the FO side manned entirely by new hires.

galaxy flyer

If they do assign 190 Cappy's in indoc, they'll hire carefully or the 1000 hours of 121 will bite 'em.

GF

aewanabe

There's a lot of legitimacy to this concern. A couple other guys on here have posted glowing reviews of the ergonomics, which are probably accurate if your reference point is a 145 or turboprop. The overhead panel and systems operations are dirt-simple, and the Epic FMS architecture is very user-friendly. After that, my laundry list of issues:

It's a loud jet. At B6 we have ANC Sennheiser headsets which use ship's power; they are nice but clamp your head as part of the system. On the 320 most guys are headsets off every leg at FL180; try that in the 190 and you'll be deaf in 6 months. Anecdotally the 73ng cockpit seemed quite a bit quieter when I've been in the Jumpseat. And that jumpseater in the 190 will be right in your lap btw... At least it has a hot mic.

The pressurization and climate control stink. The outflow valve slams shut every time the jet transitions between high-stage and low-stage bleeds during a descent, so lots of pressure bumps. The FAs do indeed have control of the cabin but the sensors that work with their panel get clogged so easily the temp cycles between burning and freezing until you take control back in the cockpit. And don't get me started on whomever decided the pack should blow full cold after a bleed-source change....

The autothrottles are great for climb, cruise, and descent (except for TOD at Mach.78 when they'll add power and over speed the jet), and absolutely stink on approach. Think rapid 10 percent N1 changes for 2 knot speed corrections. If the approach procedure didn't require their use I just didn't...

The seats... We're on version four at JetBlue trying to find something that won't wreck everyone's back. Nice self-inflating lumbar cushions as well. Also, anyone who's flown a 120 or 145 knows that the seats are offset from the yoke to make all the cable runs fit in the cockpit. Now sit down in your gently-used, clean-sheet design mostly-FBW jet and tell me why in the @&$"!?$@ the seats are still offset... You WILL sit crooked with your inboard thigh half off the cushion in a few hours.

No boards below 180 kts or with greater than flaps 1, and above 3/4 deflection they shake the heck out of the tail with zero appreciable added effect. And the anti-ice system is all-or-nothing and automatically activated; it's entertaining trying to figure out how the heck you're gonna get down and slow down with the engines and wings on and the associated power bump. Electric slats and flaps too, so enjoy your sloooow configuration changes.

Having said all that the jet has provided 1000 jobs at B6 which would otherwise be at Republic et al, and it's a great ride in the back as long as you bring a sweater or pullover. Always good to see more jobs in a jet that weighs 114k pounds and can fly 2400 miles come back to mainline. My perspective is with 3500 hours in both seats of the jet, FYI.

feltf4

We need AT for approaches??? New to me

aewanabe

Cat 2/3, and RNP... At least at JetBlue