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Yes they do. Across fleets. With some regularity.Originally Posted by Sputnik
No he is not, pretty good guy on here. You need to understand from a mil pov people dont walk into a plane and be mil equivalent of a capt with zero time in it
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I think being hired here has a lot more to do with attitude than stick time in the left seat. Ask yourself the question, "Can I get along with everyone, right or wrong, 10 hours a day, 5 days in a row?".
I remember one particular True/False question on that MMPI test during the interview process, it read, "I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task."
After we were done with the test, a group of us were in the hallway talking, one guy (Navy F14) mentioned that question, "That was the stupidest question ever! WHO DOESN'T get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task??".
I looked at him said, "You didn't put True to that, did you?"
He said, "Of COURSE I did!"
I said, "You realize that is a Flight Engineer's job description, right? You just told them it would be irritating to you."
Sometimes you have to be just a little smarter than the test.
He was not in my new hire class...
So getting into an argument with the Company Psychologist wasn't the best idea?Originally Posted by Timbo
I flew F/O on the 767 and MD11 for guys hired at Delta at age 21, and guys hired for NE at age 18. They were excellent pilots and some of the nicest, most generous Captains I've ever flown with. I think being hired here has a lot more to do with attitude than stick time in the left seat. Ask yourself the question, "Can I get along with everyone, right or wrong, 10 hours a day, 5 days in a row?".
I remember one particular True/False question on that MMPI test during the interview process, it read, "I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task."
After we were done with the test, a group of us were in the hallway talking, one guy (Navy F14) mentioned that question, "That was the stupidest question ever! WHO DOESN'T get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task??".
I looked at him said, "You didn't put True to that, did you?"
He said, "Of COURSE I did!"
I said, "You realize that is a Flight Engineer's job description, right? You just told them it would be irritating to you."
Sometimes you have to be just a little smarter than the test.
He was not in my new hire class...
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I saw this happen in the late 1980's and early 1990's. We had three T-38 FAIPs show up in a KC-135 squadron as Aircraft Commanders. Zero time in the airplane (other than 60-70 hours from CCTS). Great pilots. The CRM was a little rough at first since they were not use to a crew airplane and tried to do too much on their own but overall it was no big deal.Originally Posted by Sputnik
No he is not, pretty good guy on here. You need to understand from a mil pov people dont walk into a plane and be mil equivalent of a capt with zero time in it
I seem to remember NWA had a minimum amount of hours in the right seat of an NWA aircraft (type did not matter). 1000 or 1500 hours...don't quite remember...before you could upgrade to CA. Can anyone recall if that was the case?
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I think Delta has that too... 500 hours unless they have done away with that requirement.... to lazy to look it up.Originally Posted by qball
I seem to remember NWA had a minimum amount of hours in the right seat of an NWA aircraft (type did not matter). 1000 or 1500 hours...don't quite remember...before you could upgrade to CA. Can anyone recall if that was the case?
I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.
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I went straight from Aircraft commander on KC135 to Aircraft Commander on C130. I know a guy who flew A10s and came straight to C130 Aircraft Commander.Originally Posted by Sputnik
No he is not, pretty good guy on here. You need to understand from a mil pov people dont walk into a plane and be mil equivalent of a capt with zero time in it
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I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.
This came to mind as I recall a guy who had been in the training command since he came on the property and was a rotor head prior to that (not that there's anything wrong with that😳Originally Posted by full of luv
I think Delta has that too... 500 hours unless they have done away with that requirement.... to lazy to look it up.I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.
. He was the head of NATCO for a while. He decides to go back to the line for a few years on the 757 before he retires and he doesn't have the min right seat time to be a CA. I'll put my confidence in the 14 month Bad Dog CA way before a guy like that.
Far more depth of experience there than a career desk driver.
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There was also a T/F one: "I am sometimes possessed by evil spirits." The shrink already knows that it's true, or else you wouldn't be a pilot, but the question is designed to weed out applicants who are too stupid to lie about it. Originally Posted by Timbo
I remember one particular True/False question on that MMPI test during the interview process, it read, "I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task."
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I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.
I remember that guy. Super fast, anti social, walker. One day I just gave up trying to keep up with him made a left turn and got a beer on my own. I don't think he even noticed. Originally Posted by full of luv
I think Delta has that too... 500 hours unless they have done away with that requirement.... to lazy to look it up.I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.
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Ok fine, yes there is ACIQ, but it was a tad slower than than airlines. FTU longer and a little more than 35 hours OE when sim complete.Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
I went straight from Aircraft commander on KC135 to Aircraft Commander on C130. I know a guy who flew A10s and came straight to C130 Aircraft Commander.
Regardless, "idiot" was a bit over the top.
