Now that's a true unionist
How about making dues voluntary. I'm not happy the way my money has been spent. How about the yes voters get assessed for the 1.7M sales job...

 

straw man. Nicely done. TA15 should never have gotten out of the MEC.

 

You guys are still in your Moakist mindset.
The days of career ALPA guys running things and seeing themselves as some kind of junior execs in charge of the pilot department are gone forever. We are labor.
They took our pensions. They are running circles around our scope clause. They gave the other employees a big raise in December instead of January just to circumvent our contract. They called the collapse of Venezuela an ordinary expense. They say our puny grievance settlement for them violating AF/KLM scope was not income. They blow billions on fuel hedges. They spend billions buying other airlines from London to Brazil to China. They waste billions buying back stock but claim they can't afford to pay us? Now they take away deadheads in Economy Comfort. It goes on and on.
How many times do you have to be slapped in the face before you fight back?

Let me spell it out bluntly for you.
The Moak way of doing things is over. If we don't have a contract this summer then we are no longer going to be cooperating with management. They will have declared war on the pilots and we are going to respond in kind.
The bridge to getting a fair contract through "constructive engagement" has collapsed and that road is closed. Management's choice, not ours.

That leaves us with one option. The "traditional route" I believe is how Mr. Anderson put it. Simply stated, that means we have to make it more painful for management to continue their stall tactics than for them to sign a new contract. Its a bottom line economic calculation.

We have to hurt them in their wallets. The old way of doing that was through a strike. The NMB would release us to self help and we would shut the company down. That is no longer a viable option. We are too big. The NMB will never allow a strike at Delta Air Lines. (or United, Southwest, or American. And probably not UPS or FedEx either) If we meekly play along with their game, the NMB will keep us in mediation for eternity.

Therefore we have to find new ways of legally exerting economic pressure.
Organizing the other employees is a unique option here at Delta. It will cost the corporation huge amounts of money and it will destroy their precious control over all the non-contract employees' pay and working conditions.
I think they will give us a contract rather than risk that.

Don't be scared. The money is available. Cannoll and Dominguez and the other old Moakists running ALPA National will either go along or be removed. We are going to drag this union into the new era.

 

But it did. And the "yes men" did it. Thankfully they are gone. Except for 1 or 3.

The only straw man I see was screaming PEB! When this contract is settled the house cleaning and dues accountability will continue to national. I too want to know how your (and my) money is spent.

 

You are missing the point. The company absolutely does not want the other union groups to organize - that is our leverage. We make it clear that a certain point we will proactively help them organize. This is just another data point the company will have to include in its costs equation.

I also like the fact that if the other groups are orgainized I will no longer have to hear "Well if we get they will have to give it to the FAs, and that would cost too much money.

As far as spending money on helping them organize who cares? Once the dues money comes out of my paycheck it is gone. $1.7 Million on a used car TA sales job - did anyone get asked if they were OK with that?

Scoop

 

Didn't someone once post here 'everyone has an opinion'?

The takeaway from the failed TA should be a realization each of us has been the objective of expectation management by the very entity and individuals we are paying to protect our interests.

And over the last 30 years it has cost us dearly. The default response from the smartest in the room always begins with rationale on why something is not doable, and should the inquiring party persist....inevitably progresses to 'you are too stupid to get it even IF there was a legitimate explanation that could be offered'.

my guess is most of the TA15 NO voting block has safely arrived at the intellectual destination of my post.

 

Thanks for so eloquently saying what I've been thinking!

 

The sheer arrogance of your position is laughable. Do you think that the other employees are just waiting for the pilots to tell them what to do? There have been numerous organizing efforts by numerous unions and they have all failed. What makes you think ALPA will be able to change their minds? Please, could you make a video of you instructing the other employees about how they need to listen to the godlike pilots laying down their infinite wisdom. I mean what else would they do except fall at your feet and thank you for your benevolence. How else could those simple little sheep make up their minds without the patient guidance of the pilots. Go ahead, start that organizing drive, I would like to buy tickets to see you get your comeuppance. The great and mighty pilots have spoken, submit or be crushed. What arrogance.

 

^^^^^What a D-BAG! ZERO value added!^^^^^^^^^^

 

Everyone knows you campaigned for it on here strongly.