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Old 05-26-2016 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
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Happen to be an FSU and Bama fan and I'm wearing the orange, until we get the contract we deserve. You can bet your last dollar I will then dispose of the ugly thing! HOW I HATE ORANGE!!
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Old 05-28-2016 | 09:18 AM
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I bet TSquare would actually wear the orange.
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Old 05-28-2016 | 10:28 AM
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Orange lanyards are great. Sounds like we might even see some informational picketing. But its still pre-game warmup. The whistle hasn't really blown yet.
I agree.

I think there is a lot of pent up "militancy" out there. You can feel it on the line and in the lounges. Every time management puts out a memo telling us how great we are and how we need to keep up the operational excellence, guys are only getting more disgusted and angry.
I'm not buying that for one second. If there were truly pent up anger you wouldn't see guys tripping over themselves to fly GS#5 etc etc.



How on Earth can he say that stuff while he still has the pilot group working under our bankruptcy concessions? Ed and everybody else may have recovered and prospered but we are still waiting.
That is partially accurate at best. Our contract is vastly better than it was during the depths of BK, so the convenient line of "still working under BK concessions" is misleading at best and an outright lie at worst.


The loss of our pensions was a devastating blow to a large segment of the pilot group. It really hurts to see the corporation now paying off all its debts and buying back all that stock and paying the huge bonuses to management and buying other airlines all over the world, etc. etc.. There needs to be some acknowledgement of the enormous sacrifice made by the pilots with that pension termination and at least an attempt to give us a chance to make up some of that loss.
True.

Right now the MEC is pretty much keeping a lid on the boiling pot. They're saying there is no reason we shouldn't have a deal "this summer". That has left the impression that things are moving along and management is still negotiating in good faith. I hope that is true, but if its not...

Sometime "this summer" Malone is going to blow the whistle.
He can only "blow the whistle" when the RLA says he can...which is only when both sides have been released to self-help by the NMB.

All sides in these negotiations know that, including company, DALPA and mediator.

Now if you personally decide to fly (or not) any particular way, that is totally up to you and no one can dictate otherwise.
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Old 05-28-2016 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
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I hate orange being an FSU fan, but I wear the orange lanyard.
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Old 05-28-2016 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Orange lanyards are great. Sounds like we might even see some informational picketing. But its still pre-game warmup. The whistle hasn't really blown yet.

I think there is a lot of pent up "militancy" out there. You can feel it on the line and in the lounges. Every time management puts out a memo telling us how great we are and how we need to keep up the operational excellence, guys are only getting more disgusted and angry. And its not just senior management. The whole Flight Ops structure from Dickson to the chief pilots and right down to the line check airmen is going to start losing credibility and respect.

Ed giving interviews where he attributes Delta's recovery and recent success to the great employees and the fabulous "culture" is just the latest insult.
How on Earth can he say that stuff while he still has the pilot group working under our bankruptcy concessions? Ed and everybody else may have recovered and prospered but we are still waiting.

The loss of our pensions was a devastating blow to a large segment of the pilot group. It really hurts to see the corporation now paying off all its debts and buying back all that stock and paying the huge bonuses to management and buying other airlines all over the world, etc. etc.. There needs to be some acknowledgement of the enormous sacrifice made by the pilots with that pension termination and at least an attempt to give us a chance to make up some of that loss.

Right now the MEC is pretty much keeping a lid on the boiling pot. They're saying there is no reason we shouldn't have a deal "this summer". That has left the impression that things are moving along and management is still negotiating in good faith. I hope that is true, but if its not...

Sometime "this summer" Malone is going to blow the whistle.
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Old 05-28-2016 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cards5
Why do guys NOT wear the orange? Are they against the direction the union wants to go or are they just scared of the company? Any thoughts?
There's a guy on chit chat bragging about not wearing orange.
He's a DPA guy. DTW captain.
That right there says enough about the damage he's trying to do to the Delta pilots!
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Old 05-28-2016 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
There's a guy on chit chat bragging about not wearing orange.
He's a DPA guy. DTW captain.
That right there says enough about the damage he's trying to do to the Delta pilots!
Yeah... What is he thinking??? DALPA has always been first in line when it comes to doing damage to Delta pilots!! Who does he think he is????😳
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Old 05-28-2016 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
He can only "blow the whistle" when the RLA says he can...which is only when both sides have been released to self-help by the NMB.

All sides in these negotiations know that, including company, DALPA and mediator.
That's the Moak way of thinking. You've been brainwashed.
The union has collaborated with management in their use of the RLA to control pilot activism.
Moak's DALPA loved that injunction we got slapped with after the 49er incident. It was useful for them.

Those days are over.

The corporation is drowning in cash. They are struggling to figure out what to do with it all. Everybody is getting paid except us. Management is accumulating fabulous wealth. They are pocketing every dime of what used to be our pensions.

If we don't have a contract soon there will be consequences.
There are plenty of perfectly legal things we can do to express our displeasure.

Informational picketing is only step 1.
Step 2 is a hard-nosed communication effort. We need to call "Bu||$hit" every time Dickson or some other management drone sends out a memo encouraging us to work harder so they can win a JD Power Award and pump the stock so they can get even richer.

Then we need to put out a detailed handout to every non-contract employee explaining what just happened to their profit sharing and how that sweet 14% raise just might turn out to have been a pay CUT.
etc.
etc.
Step 10 is an all out effort to unionize every employee on this property.
Starting with the flight attendants.
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Old 05-28-2016 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Moondog
Happen to be an FSU and Bama fan

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Old 05-28-2016 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
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