There will be no assessments. It won't take much money.

DALPA has always helped management fight off other unions merely by remaining silent.
If we don't have a contract this summer then we will no longer be silent.

I actually think it will be relatively inexpensive to organize the flight attendants. Past efforts by AFA and IAM have been pretty inept. Those unions didn't know Delta very well and it showed. Management easily swamped them with fear and propaganda about "culture" and "family". All we need to do is counter the scare tactics with good solid communications.
Let 'em know the pilots have their back. I think we are way under-estimating the power of that simple message. A lot of the women were kinda scared of the "machinists" and their reputation.

How much do a few reams of paper cost? If we want to get really extravagant we could host a couple of "roadshows" and/or start inviting FAs to our PUB events. Buy 'em some pizza and beer. (Well, maybe some white wine)
Its nickels compared to the piles of money we dump into the Herndon black hole every year.

Its my opinion that a large percentage of the flight attendants (maybe most of them) didn't have a real strong feeling one way or the other on those past union votes. They end up voting no, or not voting at all, just because management makes them afraid of change. They perceive the union as a risk. That group is "persuadable".
If we weigh in, and ask them to stand with us and help themselves at the same time, the votes will be there easily.

Then if they still won't give us a contract, on to the mechanics.

 

ALPA is part of the AFL-CIO, and Section 2 of the AFL-CIO Constitution reads:

The objects and principles of the federation are:

2. To aid and assist affiliated unions in extending the benefits of mutual assistance and collective bargaining to workers and to promote the organization of the unorganized into unions of their own choosing for their mutual aid, protection and advancement, giving recognition to the principle that both craft and industrial unions are appropriate, equal and necessary as methods of union organization.


So does that answer your question about if ALPA helping out another AFL-CIO union organize other workers on the property is legal? Not only is it legal...it's highly encouraged. I'm actually surprised nobody has filed charges against ALPA for not being supportive of the previous organizing attempts at Delta.

As i've said in another post...thinking that Delta pilots are better off without other work groups being unionized is just a bunch of bull****. If you are better off then why aren't Delta pilots the best paid, have the best benefits, and best work rules in the industry already? You've had 80 years to get there without other unionized work groups. How is it that some pilots at other carriers (where other employee groups ARE unionized) do better than Delta pilots? This is the good ole boys club way of thinking. The Moak train of thought. I thought you guys were tired of that? You want to keep hurting your negotiations because you're the unofficial bargaining agent for the whole company? Go ahead. Or you can pull your head out of the sand and see how having other employee groups unionized wouldn't hurt Delta pilots a bit...and in some cases might actually help. It's up to you. In the meantime...thanks for indirectly negotiating for the 20,000 flight attendants as well.

 

That's a good assessment. It's easy to persuade an ignorant group. It's the message of "better the devil you know than the devil you don't".

Believe it or not, having the flight attendants unionize would be an overall benefit for the Delta pilot group. Just think, that's 20,000 less people ALPA has to negotiate for.

 

BTW if FAs get a raise, we do too.

3B4

Win/win.

 

I'm pretty sure JamesBond knows there is nothing illegal about union organizing.
He's just throwing up a little smokescreen. He can't help himself.
FUD is a well known management and Moakist tactic.

 

So much for unity then eh?
You're right, just go and negotiate on your own. Make side deals with CS.
You're managements best friend. They love pilots like you!

 

Do you live under power lines?

 

I do wear my orange lanyard falcon- but I wear it to show solidarity with my fellow pilots in our quest for a good-to-great contract.... I do NOT wear it as a show of ALPA support... We the pilots are in a fight for a good-great contract IN SPITE of DALPA's determination to shove a POS contract down our throats with shady figures and a high dollar sales job... I hold out hope for that contract to come, but it's very tough to trust the organization that has repeatedly kicked me in the groin time after time either directly or indirectly!
You want my unity? Where was ALPA's unity when the company forloughed me only to outsource my job to the regionals?? ALPA didn't fight for me or any or pilot furloughed... Hell - they didn't even fight for us to get preferential status to be hired at those same regionals the represented!! Did my "union" call for unity when pilots were flying high time while we were all furloughed?? Crickets chirping again.... ALPA backs age 65 retirement after a poll of the pilots stated the rank and file were against it.. further stagnating our careers... You see a pattern here Falcon??
You may very well state that all of those actions were in the past and that I am crying over spilled milk- you would be correct about that, but let me also say that the next time that ALPA does something to enhance my career it will also be the first time that ALPA does so...
Capt Malone seems like a nice fellow, but the proof will be in the pudding as they say... Rumors are already being put out that we're agreeing to concessions>. I hope not!!! We shall see....
You say that management loves a pilot like me... I would say they have had much more success screwing the pilots using "my union" as the tool than they will ever get out of me....

Rant over.... Have a great big glass of orange juice! 😎

 

He's one of the most respected posters here. But you knew that.

 

If management wants to nickel and dime us again, I'll gladly pay an assessment for this.

Passing a resolution for an assessment to help the other groups unionize would be a more powerful signal to management than a strike vote.