TA a few days after picketing
06-20-2016, 10:30 AM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
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That's an annual average including vacation, training, etc...not just the monthly line of time. At 4 weeks of vacation that number is reduced by 7.58 hrs...add in 4 recurrents every 36 months and that's a reduction of 0.83hrs. so if no initial quals then the average drops to roughly 78-80/month...
06-20-2016, 10:45 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 757 Left
Posts: 1,306
I see no difference either way. The company covers about 8% of flying with premium pay. If this is the case, then there is a fixed amount of time that would go out for 2X (not 1.5X that's a non-starter). Whether you just WS over 80 or GS the award is based on seniority. The only thing this has the potential for, is senior guys picking up all the open time once they hit 80. That returns us effectively to the old GS system where the #1, #2 etc, is irrelevant. Didn't we spend capital to get the more equitable system. This stuff amazes me. A Mobius strip of endless "wins" for the pilots. Right? 
Keep telling yourself language changes and circular negotiations are win/win. :mad:
Keep telling yourself language changes and circular negotiations are win/win. :mad:
Don't fool yourself that language changes in many areas aren't needed. There is plenty of room for improvement and spreading contract wealth.
06-20-2016, 11:01 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 767A
Posts: 791
The premium pay will go to the senior folks under either system, if they want it. The only way I'd be remotely interested in "premium pay over XX" system is if XX=60. 80 is a no-go.
As a group I see us grabbing time under this system, causing stagnation and maybe even regression. Sometimes we need to be saved from our greedy selves.
As a group I see us grabbing time under this system, causing stagnation and maybe even regression. Sometimes we need to be saved from our greedy selves.
06-20-2016, 11:07 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,116
Viewing the value and benefit of the pwa entirely from an individual metric is about the biggest fail I can imagine.
That's how we got the b scale.
Toss the new hires overboard for lodging ..because it won't impact me.
Giveaway scope..... because it won't impact me.
screw the pre 72 pilots out of their retirement.... because it won't impact me.
Toss out the significant economic penalty for understaffing.... because it won't impact me.
Priceless.
You two are using 180 out logic. The appropriate CBA solution to your perceived equity issues is to make premium flying even MORE EXPENSIVE to management.
Instead you are conceding we should do the exact opposite. Since the CEO isn't here I will relay his heartfelt 'thank you'.
That's how we got the b scale.
Toss the new hires overboard for lodging ..because it won't impact me.
Giveaway scope..... because it won't impact me.
screw the pre 72 pilots out of their retirement.... because it won't impact me.
Toss out the significant economic penalty for understaffing.... because it won't impact me.
Priceless.
You two are using 180 out logic. The appropriate CBA solution to your perceived equity issues is to make premium flying even MORE EXPENSIVE to management.
Instead you are conceding we should do the exact opposite. Since the CEO isn't here I will relay his heartfelt 'thank you'.
Last edited by BobZ; 06-20-2016 at 11:21 AM.
06-20-2016, 11:19 AM
#76
Weekend and Holiday Pilot
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Sippin' at the Troubadour
Posts: 1,142
06-20-2016, 11:30 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 111
It seems we would need less reserve because folks would be more inclined to pick up 150%.
It would be nice to be able to pick things up on our own terms instead of having to work a holiday or weekend to get a green slip. More would definitely be able to participate and overall I know I would make more with the 150%.
Not sure how to feel about it.
It would be nice to be able to pick things up on our own terms instead of having to work a holiday or weekend to get a green slip. More would definitely be able to participate and overall I know I would make more with the 150%.
Not sure how to feel about it.
06-20-2016, 11:34 AM
#79
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
We are, as a group, very bipolar.
Not as bipolar as the FA that was 20 minutes late for pickup and then told me after landing in ELP that she was about to call us and tell us to divert because it was so bumpy.
Not as bipolar as the FA that was 20 minutes late for pickup and then told me after landing in ELP that she was about to call us and tell us to divert because it was so bumpy.
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