Arguing with Trip7 is like arguing with Curly et al...the company can do no wrong.

 

A single Scope change is often viewed as a concession by some Pilots and a gain by other Pilots.

I voted for C2012. I liked the fact that it greatly reduced DCI flying and increased mainline flying. I disliked more 76 seaters but not as much as I liked what I viewed as an improvement in Scope.

I posted a bunch on the Changes to Scope thread and realize that the majority on social media have views contrary to mine. I respect that view but I just don't feel that way.

I have seen what weak Scope can do. 1300 of us were furloughed when the Scope line was increased from 50 to 70 to 76 seats. It sucked. I now feel we have won the small jet Scope battle - holding the line at 76 seats for at least 3 contracts and getting the 100 seater at mainline.

Forward to C2012. We have been hiring like crazy since then and I anticipate if we allow more 76 seaters while simultaneously reducing overall DCI seats this trend will continue.

I'm not saying I will vote yes on a TA, but in my opinion more 76 seaters with no change in MTOW and holding the line at 76 seats is not an automatic No vote from me.

Lets not make more 76 seaters our Maginot line letting our guard down on much bigger threat of large jet JV and Codeshares.

Standing by for incoming.

Scoop

 

$2307 dollars per Delta pilot for 4 years of being more than 100 A330 captains and first officers out of compliance.

I will take the jobs and pay lost.

 

You can stick the $2307 in your pipe and smoke it.

 

Nahh. Trip 7 is right. That US DOT report showing a decline in DAL's international enplanements between 2014 and 2015 must be bogus.

 

APA gave up significant scope concessions in their negotiations. They are parking 190s and buying more RJs.

By all means, continue with your awful analysis....

 

Spot on as always, Scoop!

 

Wholeheartedly agree. C2012 is a big reason why Delta has hired significantly more pilots than UAL and United. This continued trend has half the list projected to be 2014+ hires by 2021

 

Still giving to get. What's next? When the 76s are old and uneconomical (black swan oil prices we are constantly warned of) and need replacing, then what? 76s become the new 50s, and 100s become the new 76s?

Large scope needs protection without a doubt. Just not convinced this is a smart path and making it an either/or seems self defeating.

Investor day December 2013...

Richard H. Anderson

Yes, the scope clauses, these are all really -- when we did our last agreement earlier with our pilots, we pretty much resolved all those scope clause matters going forward permanently. I don't even know that we're going to buy all of the 70. In fact, we aren't going to buy all the 76 seaters we're entitled to buy under the -- under our scope clause. So we even have some room there. I don't know where we'll end up, but we have room right now for 30 more that we don't have earmarked.

 

So Trip, how many pilots has UAL hired since 2014 and how many has Delta hired?