Scope and Cost Neutral
09-06-2016 | 05:38 PM
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We just have to compare apples to apples.
Some are saying SWA did us no favors. The fact is their PWA would add more than a billion per year to our costs.
Tired of the constant lowering of expectations.
09-06-2016 | 05:44 PM
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Honest question. (Keep in mind, I haven't seen any language of "scope gives" yet. Just a bunch of blind, gibberish-filled bullet points from Jerry.)
You wouldn't make a compromise for more mainline flying, leading to more mainline pilots, to include less DCI flying/jets/pilots, to make a deal with Mgmt.?
Do you have such disdain for anything Delta (Mgmt.)? Disdain for getting a deal, that ultimately benefits this pilots group? Or just such a subterranean lack of how negotiations and compromises during negotiations work, that you wouldn't trade a $5 bill for the company's $100 bill?
You wouldn't make a compromise for more mainline flying, leading to more mainline pilots, to include less DCI flying/jets/pilots, to make a deal with Mgmt.?
Do you have such disdain for anything Delta (Mgmt.)? Disdain for getting a deal, that ultimately benefits this pilots group? Or just such a subterranean lack of how negotiations and compromises during negotiations work, that you wouldn't trade a $5 bill for the company's $100 bill?
We have seriously degraded sick leave. Written a blank check for virtual basing. Forced Self funding VEBA on all Delta pilots.
Now scope.
The American and United union leaders both made it completely clear to everyone in their management day 1 that scope was off the table.
The DCI 70/76 seat fleet is twice the size of any of our fleets. Let's give them more!
09-06-2016 | 05:45 PM
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Or do they cost us nothing?
09-06-2016 | 05:48 PM
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Explain why United, UPS, FedEx and SWA pilots got deals and made no concessions.
We have seriously degraded sick leave. Written a blank check for virtual basing. Forced Self funding VEBA on all Delta pilots.
Now scope.
The American and United union leaders both made it completely clear to everyone in their management day 1 that scope was off the table.
The DCI 70/76 seat fleet is twice the size of any of our fleets. Let's give them more!
We have seriously degraded sick leave. Written a blank check for virtual basing. Forced Self funding VEBA on all Delta pilots.
Now scope.
The American and United union leaders both made it completely clear to everyone in their management day 1 that scope was off the table.
The DCI 70/76 seat fleet is twice the size of any of our fleets. Let's give them more!
UAL: concessions were baked in from bankruptcy.
FedEx: there were work rule concessions including changing a big money DH item amongst others.
UPS: made concessions to get their rates. call it what you will, they were efficiency gains for the company.
SWA: also made concessions and went five plus years for a deal.
So you want to revisit those?
09-06-2016 | 05:51 PM
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Jerry, you often times fly with a good friend of mine in DTW. Overall, I think you're a good person too, with your heart in the right place, but somehow your passionate message gets skewed by lack of factual data. I'm not sure why?
SWA didn't make concessions on code-share agreements? C'mon Jerry, you know better. Why do you post these things?
SWA didn't make concessions on code-share agreements? C'mon Jerry, you know better. Why do you post these things?
09-06-2016 | 06:14 PM
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The union leaders at American and United instructed their negotiators they were not allowed to discuss scope during negotiations.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
09-06-2016 | 06:17 PM
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With our company making billions we should not have to give any concessions which includes increasing the number of large RJs!
Not sure the dci guys would want to work under our lack of QOL contract unless there was a future of wide body flying, but 18 777 at top pay affects how many pilots on the list and the rumored JV sellout equals how many more jobs?
After this contract we will have nothing left to give to get, so how will we negotiate in the future?
09-06-2016 | 06:18 PM
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The union leaders at American and United instructed their negotiators they were not allowed to discuss scope during negotiations.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
Its right up there.
Now you are talking about scope?
Lets tackle one of your misinformation pieces at a time please.
So, can you answer the lie you just put forth that NO airline who recently got a contract had to give up anything?
09-06-2016 | 06:39 PM
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The union leaders at American and United instructed their negotiators they were not allowed to discuss scope during negotiations.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
IMO the scope concessions we will make are severe and unnecessary.
Just my opinion.
The Donatelli JV scope settlement set a terrible precedent. Management after being brought into instant compliance can immediately move out of compliance and only fear tiny checks to all Delta pilots after a couple of more years.
Noncompliance needs to have immediate payments and penalties on par with the widebody positions lost.
The remedy must be in the contract.
Grievances are based on past practice. Donatelli harmed us beyond belief.
1st: DPA=USAPA Part II
2nd: Scope Concessions....how is reducing DCI airframes and available seats with mainline block hour protections severe? Also, prove widebody jobs were lost due to the JV Scope non compliance. Prove that widebody flying weren't moved to more profitable theatres.
09-06-2016 | 06:42 PM
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1st: DPA=USAPA Part II
2nd: Scope Concessions....how is reducing DCI airframes and available seats with mainline block hour protections severe? Also, prove widebody jobs were lost due to the JV Scope non compliance. Prove that widebody flying weren't moved to more profitable theatres.
2nd: Scope Concessions....how is reducing DCI airframes and available seats with mainline block hour protections severe? Also, prove widebody jobs were lost due to the JV Scope non compliance. Prove that widebody flying weren't moved to more profitable theatres.
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