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Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 2233209)
Two examples. First the estimate for the jobs lost by raising the ALV in the widebodies is off. The union guys said since the TLV remains the same there will be little to no change. We all the know the airline is staffed for summer flying. Another pilot at the road show did the math and confronted them. I was more impressed with his reasoning and numbers.
Second, the estimate on gains from the increased value of vacation and training is optimistic. Their numbers presume all pilots will only fly their schedule. But vacation and training are pay no credit...nothing prevents a pilot from continuing to pick up to the FARs. There were other examples that came up. Bottom line the union statement about staffing is.......extremely optimistic. That said I think this TA will pass. I think the best reason to vote yes is that I believe our profits have peaked and by the time we could get another bite at the apple.....the apple will be smaller. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 2233175)
When evaluating this TA, you cannot just look at the TA itself. You also have to evaluate the macro economic environment it has been negotiated in, where you think that environment is headed, how long it will be before you enter into negotiations in the future, and the possibility of "black swan" event happening while you are negotiating.
When adding in those factors, I gotta say I'm a yes. Denny |
Originally Posted by Jughead135
(Post 2233217)
It's important to note that those numbers are solely for work rule change-based job effects. It does not address (it doesn't attempt to address) any change(s) driven by scope, for example.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2233219)
A. The cumulative staffing reductions expected from the following TA povisions: widening the ALV window for widebody positions other than the 7ER, virtual base, and TDY are expected to be offset by the added required staffing resulting from the additional vacation and CQ training pay achieved in the TA.
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
(Post 2233221)
How many job losses will be caused by scope? (Careful.)
Delta cannot defeat the ME3 in a head to head match and more countries than ever are taking advantage of our IE bank and making large WB purchases whether they have the demand and pricing power or not. The alliances that are formed give Delta significant bargaining power with the host governments through the management teams of the various airlines. If airlines are hiring and making more money with Delta then everyone wins. What continues to be the threat is when an alliance partner leaves and takes those routes to a competitor, opening a large hole in our route structure (i.e. Alaska). That being said there is a balance between keeping host countries happy with the alliance and puting too much faith in them. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2233198)
The pilot shortage hitting Delta is at least 1 more contract away. I am stunned at the quality of pilots applying who can't even get a interview. Didn't the forum state for a fact there was no way they could meet their hiring goals this fall?
First of all I don't ever recall seeing that - not even once. Can you please point out who said DAL will not meet its hiring goals this fall. I have seen guys say something like we will go to tier 2 or we may see more "No-shows" but can't meet our hiring goals? Really? Second - The Forum does not state anything - let alone as facts. For almost every opinion on here there is a counter opinion. Finally - If you want to look at the "general consensus" of this Forum on the big issues, while not perfect, it is pretty good. The mood here on C-2012 was split - it passed. The mood here on TA-15 was it sucked - it failed miserably. The mood here on this TA is its pretty good - we will see on 01 December. FWIW - I predict a pass with close to the poll numbers on this forum. For someone who posts on here as much as you do you sure seem to like to discredit this place. :cool: Its not perfect but if you know of a more balance Forum - please let us know. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 2233209)
Bottom line the union statement about staffing is.......extremely optimistic.
The other ones are the pilot cost comparison per ASM and a couple others showing our pay that included our profit sharing as part of our compensation. The roadshow overall was pretty "fair and balanced" but maybe they should reconsider 2 or 3 slides that seemed a bit "Harwoodian". |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 2233238)
For almost every opinion on here there is a counter opinion.
Nonsense!! . . . . . . ;) |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 2233231)
You believe everything the union tells you?
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 2233238)
Second - The Forum does not state anything - let alone as facts.
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