Jvw700

Haha! How long been in this game son? You really think because you're alpa that you're "guaranteed" anything?!! LOL
Didn't take long for you guys to go full Delta attitude! Only a few years ago pinnacle/mesaba/colgan was the worst place to be, hence the retention bonuses! Hopefully Delta keeps you around longer than the other regionals they once owned!

Squallrider

If you buy that reasoning for why they were bonuses and it rate increases then you just don't get it. Everyone must be trying to get everyone's rates down with bonuses then! I get it now!! Lol

Sorry if my wording was off but I meant they can go away after contract expectation.

Loving the koolaid and unicorns over here, you know, at the company that's never been in bankruptsy, furloughed a pilot or they gives me around 12k a year in performance rewards and profit sharing...yup must be koolaid to work for a successful company...let's drink it all the time!! Woohoo!! Really wish it was 20k in retention bonus that was implemented to stop the people from getting to the lifeboats on the sinking ship

Nantonaku

Just because you keep telling people over and over they don't get it doesn't mean you are winning the argument. Your posts are so bad and so far from even hitting on the real issues that instead of spending your time posting you would be better off going back and reading some old posts from when the bonus started first coming out.

gojo

The retention bonus agreement is more binding than anything Skywest has. With no union labor agreement they can simply do whatever they want. I'm surprised you even use that argument??? The Endeavor retention bonus has a life span. They simply cannot say sorry we're not going to honor that anymore. They would have to pay out the term of the agreement. Good luck getting the same from a non union company. And why the h$ll does this saying "from the goodness of their hearts" keep coming up? Give me one example of where the almighty Skywest gives money out of the goodness of their hearts? The airlines are in business to make money. Not **** it away. Although it seems they do at times.

Yumyum

The last two pages are a prime example why regional pilots as a whole are screwed. Unity nonexistent...So sick of it! Hey Bueller? I mean ALPA the system doesn't work. We need to shut her down. Give it all back to mainline. Maybe then all pilots will be as one.

msprj2

HAHA. Pilots cant even agree to one union. Many feel they are better
than their peers or aren't represented properly and want/do start in house
union. The problem is there is no self regulating to keep garbage out
of our industry.

gojo

I agree, but how will this happen? Mainline created this, not the other way around. We can't give it back, they need to take it back. And I don't see that happening without pressure from their union pilots. As long as they keep getting their fat profit sharing checks not much will be done. So right now we have the whipsaw between mainline, union regional, and non union regional. That makes it easier for management

stillcantfly

I think to sum this up it's very easy. If you want west coast go to Skywest as envoy and endeavor offer nothing. If you want east coast the. Envoy or endeavor. To make the east coast simple do you want a coin flip after 5 years at endeavor or a mainline job at envoy?

gojo

Not true. 3 years ago when that was instituted that was the case. They talked about changing it from retention bonus to we're paid higher than everyone else bonus. But they decided that too many people still couldn't do the math. So no they are in the process of rolling it into the hourly pay rates. The plan is by May of this year to have a new contract

Iceberg

I guess with the title this thread is blessed with, I should have expected nothing less than the angry key board stomping I just wasted my time reading through. There's a lot of pride amongst pilots and it's unfortunate that so much of that pride turns into hate against other pilot groups. There's positives and negatives at each company (or maybe not depending on who's posting) but people have to make a decision based on a limited bit of information and some luck. Collect the data, not the emotions. Good luck to everyone making the decision of where to go. For what it's worth, Endeavor has treated me well ever since they figured out they wouldn't have a pilot group left if they continued to s"p"it on them. Pay is good, movement is relatively quick, schedules are decent, and other quality of life improvements have been made. I can't speak of other airlines because I have never experienced them. Forgive me for not spewing ignorant misinformation about other companies in order to draw more new hires to EDV. Guess I don't fit in here...