Originally Posted by GuardPolice

Some people just can’t believe things could actually improve in this department.


GP

Originally Posted by Baradium

That logic would apply to any regional pilot interviewing at any mainline carrier that their regional provided feed for. There are a lot of people I flew with who I really wanted to get hired. Then there were some who, once they got a double no, proceeded to act in a way which seemed to prove that Delta made a good decision. There was a pilot on my crash pad in DTW who liked to brag that since he'd gotten the double no he hadn't had a single on time departure. The interview isn't just about whether you are a good pilot, it's about a whole lot more than that and includes areas that are not safety related. Is it incredibly difficult? Yes. Do I think they say no to some really good people who would be great at Delta? Yes. Do I think them having an interview and choosing who they hire means they are being unethical? No.


The arrogance of your post is pretty impressive. Would you prefer there just not be a guaranteed interview if it meant the pass rate was incredibly high? Oh wait, that would still not be 100% so the same "logic" would apply. Pilots have to have a resignation on file in case they don't make it in the interview? Arrogance is using that logic to say Delta should hire someone just because they fly their feed, even if they never interviewed that person themselves.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

You all just run your mouths and make wild assurances that haven't come true and then you get ****y when someone points out the facts. I didnt say the pass rate would never be better. I think theres a good argument that the DGI rate would get better, i think itll be slower over a number of years, but the sooner the better.



Maybe the internet, and certainly APC, just isnt a place for facts. No one here wants endeavor guys to do badly, i think 64% is soft, and since we have some data isn't it time to readjust some of the expectations youre putting out. I'm just trying to point out facts, it doesnt seem like you two can defend your stance without cult like assertions denying what facts we have.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

You all just run your mouths and make wild assurances that haven't come true and then you get ****y when someone points out the facts. I didnt say the pass rate would never be better. I think theres a good argument that the DGI rate would get better, i think itll be slower over a number of years, but the sooner the better.

Maybe the internet, and certainly APC, just isnt a place for facts. No one here wants endeavor guys to do badly, i think 64% is soft, and since we have some data isn't it time to readjust some of the expectations youre putting out. I'm just trying to point out facts, it doesnt seem like you two can defend your stance without cult like assertions denying what facts we have.

Originally Posted by GuardPolice

The fact remains that the DGI hasn’t been running long enough to take a reliable statistical sample. I am expressing optimism, not any kind of assurance, that the results of the DGI will be different. I see your stance on this as nothing more than pessimism. For most of it I can’t blame you, but the DGI and SSP are arguably fundamentally different so I believe the former should be given enough time to mature.


GP

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey

Do you need a tissue, ma’am?

Originally Posted by Avroman

With that logic all of the pilots that Delta turned down that then got hired at Northwest should have been fired in the merger, after all they were deemed to not be Delta material either.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown

What is the appropriate amount of time? Also, separate question, you realize my stance simply trying to bring you two around to the only facts we have? If the pass rate was 16% higher or 26% higher would i seem optimistic to you? Maybe your blaming the messenger.

Originally Posted by GuardPolice

The appropriate amount of time is subjective and is in the eye of the beholder. We will probably disagree how long is enough time.

I know you’re using facts but I’m simply saying the amount of facts, based on the little amount of time the DGI has been running, isn’t sufficient to draw absolute conclusions.

My guess is the DGI pass rate will in time mirror the running 4 year OTS mainline pass rate. That’s about 76% +\- 2%. 64% is already fairly close. In the end, it’s not right for you to declare it a disappointment or “a mediocrity.”