DGI Rates
01-14-2019, 10:35 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
There is a theory that many sociologists subscribe to known as the 2%-Rule (or some similar variant) which says that in ANY societal group, be it a profession, company, industry, etc., 2% of the members of that group cause the majority of problems within that group.
The '2%' is what will forever kill a flow to DL. There have only been a few bad apples in the various flow agreements to DL, but that small sampling has given the higher-ups in the hiring group enough ammunition to squash any (near-term) possibility of a flow.
The 'outliers' at 9e are the 2%, just as the guys you mention over at PSA and Envoy. It's unfair for the 98%, but in DL's hiring department, corporate memory is very durable.
Even the 'double nos' have a 2%. The other 98% stay professional and will remain so no matter what.
The '2%' is what will forever kill a flow to DL. There have only been a few bad apples in the various flow agreements to DL, but that small sampling has given the higher-ups in the hiring group enough ammunition to squash any (near-term) possibility of a flow.
The 'outliers' at 9e are the 2%, just as the guys you mention over at PSA and Envoy. It's unfair for the 98%, but in DL's hiring department, corporate memory is very durable.
Even the 'double nos' have a 2%. The other 98% stay professional and will remain so no matter what.
Would the captain who introduces an Olaf the snowman beanie baby to the passengers as his emotional support snowman be included in the 2%?
01-14-2019, 10:40 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by captkdobbs
There is a theory that many sociologists subscribe to known as the 2%-Rule (or some similar variant) which says that in ANY societal group, be it a profession, company, industry, etc., 2% of the members of that group cause the majority of problems within that group.
The '2%' is what will forever kill a flow to DL. There have only been a few bad apples in the various flow agreements to DL, but that small sampling has given the higher-ups in the hiring group enough ammunition to squash any (near-term) possibility of a flow.
The 'outliers' at 9e are the 2%, just as the guys you mention over at PSA and Envoy. It's unfair for the 98%, but in DL's hiring department, corporate memory is very durable.
Even the 'double nos' have a 2%. The other 98% stay professional and will remain so no matter what.
The '2%' is what will forever kill a flow to DL. There have only been a few bad apples in the various flow agreements to DL, but that small sampling has given the higher-ups in the hiring group enough ammunition to squash any (near-term) possibility of a flow.
The 'outliers' at 9e are the 2%, just as the guys you mention over at PSA and Envoy. It's unfair for the 98%, but in DL's hiring department, corporate memory is very durable.
Even the 'double nos' have a 2%. The other 98% stay professional and will remain so no matter what.
01-14-2019, 11:12 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,767
Originally Posted by Mesabah
They hired a lot of our 2%-ers, that's what was so baffling. They turned away at least 300 great people.
01-19-2019, 05:46 AM
#74
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Last numbers posted ware 9/14... one guy I know didn't get thru the second day with PARB and was told that they will never be a Delta pilot. So does he get a second chance? Apparently flying delta customers for many years has not proven his sanity and dedication to his work. And apparently HR is asking 9E OTS CJO holders if it's ok for them to be placed in the DGI group to raise the numbers to make it look better.
Food for thought
Food for thought
01-19-2019, 10:02 AM
#75
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Originally Posted by SurelySerious
Last numbers posted ware 9/14... one guy I know didn't get thru the second day with PARB and was told that they will never be a Delta pilot. So does he get a second chance? Apparently flying delta customers for many years has not proven his sanity and dedication to his work. And apparently HR is asking 9E OTS CJO holders if it's ok for them to be placed in the DGI group to raise the numbers to make it look better.
Food for thought
Food for thought
01-19-2019, 10:48 AM
#76
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Position: 737 FO
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. On what level in the universe is this even remotely acceptable? You can NEVER fly for us at mainline but go on back to Endeavor, which we own and fly our passengers in planes that we own in the same weather to the same airports but for pennies on the dollar? The hypocrisy here defies even the most simplest of logic. Spare me the arguments of culture and attitude. These people represent the brand EVERY DAY and here is the ultimate litmus test for all you delta apologists who undoubtedly are going to rush in here and try to defend the stringent delta hiring process. Not a single one of you would hesitate to ask any these very same unworthy pilots for the hospitality of their jump seat nor would you even think twice about putting your entire family in the back of that same pilots airplane when it's time to go to Disney World. Nearly 40% of delta's daily departures are farmed out. You can't have it both ways and maintain any sort of credibility in the hiring process.
I agree that the hiring process is very difficult and opaque, but this whole thing where you act like them being allowed to come back to Endeavor is the indicator of how great they are is laughable. You talk as if you think they should prevent pilots from going back to work if they don't pass the interview, although I guess that would take care of this argument if that was a new condition of the program.
Your argument is played out and doesn't actually make any logical sense. Although it does make it seem like your best argument for why some people should be hired is that they happen to work at Endeavor.
As far as the guy not passing day 2, it'd be nice to have more information. My understanding is that it's exceedingly rare and they do a secondary review after day 2 denials. I've talked to people who knew pilots denied on day 2, but as far as I recall they were all accepted after further review.
01-19-2019, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Considering Delta didn't interview them before, what is your solution? Well, I already know it's that being at Endeavor means you should have a guaranteed job. The hypocrisy here defies even the most simplest of logic. You don't complain that sometimes SkyWest or Compass pilots don't make it past the interview. After all, they fly Delta passengers in many times in planes owned by Delta to the same airports in the same weather. Your complaint is that Delta has a hiring process at all, because even if the acceptance rate was 99.99% it wouldn't satisfy your complaint.
I agree that the hiring process is very difficult and opaque, but this whole thing where you act like them being allowed to come back to Endeavor is the indicator of how great they are is laughable. You talk as if you think they should prevent pilots from going back to work if they don't pass the interview, although I guess that would take care of this argument if that was a new condition of the program.
Your argument is played out and doesn't actually make any logical sense. Although it does make it seem like your best argument for why some people should be hired is that they happen to work at Endeavor.
As far as the guy not passing day 2, it'd be nice to have more information. My understanding is that it's exceedingly rare and they do a secondary review after day 2 denials. I've talked to people who knew pilots denied on day 2, but as far as I recall they were all accepted after further review.
I agree that the hiring process is very difficult and opaque, but this whole thing where you act like them being allowed to come back to Endeavor is the indicator of how great they are is laughable. You talk as if you think they should prevent pilots from going back to work if they don't pass the interview, although I guess that would take care of this argument if that was a new condition of the program.
Your argument is played out and doesn't actually make any logical sense. Although it does make it seem like your best argument for why some people should be hired is that they happen to work at Endeavor.
As far as the guy not passing day 2, it'd be nice to have more information. My understanding is that it's exceedingly rare and they do a secondary review after day 2 denials. I've talked to people who knew pilots denied on day 2, but as far as I recall they were all accepted after further review.
01-19-2019, 12:12 PM
#78
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,370
Originally Posted by Mesabah
Should all Endeavor pilots have the SSP, or the DGI?
01-19-2019, 01:06 PM
#79
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I think they should all get a shot. I'd really like to see a higher acceptance rate too. I personally know a lot of first rate pilots that got turned down. But I don't think complaining that an interview is an interview holds water. If it's going to be a flow it'll be called that, complaints that would only be rectified if it was a flow in all but name aren't really valid for a non flow agreement.
01-19-2019, 02:29 PM
#80
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. On what level in the universe is this even remotely acceptable? You can NEVER fly for us at mainline but go on back to Endeavor, which we own and fly our passengers in planes that we own in the same weather to the same airports but for pennies on the dollar? The hypocrisy here defies even the most simplest of logic. Spare me the arguments of culture and attitude. These people represent the brand EVERY DAY and here is the ultimate litmus test for all you delta apologists who undoubtedly are going to rush in here and try to defend the stringent delta hiring process. Not a single one of you would hesitate to ask any these very same unworthy pilots for the hospitality of their jump seat nor would you even think twice about putting your entire family in the back of that same pilots airplane when it's time to go to Disney World. Nearly 40% of delta's daily departures are farmed out. You can't have it both ways and maintain any sort of credibility in the hiring process.
Pennies on the dollar...like 150k to fly 50 or 76 people. Boo hoo. How will you ever pay your bills?????
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