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05-02-2021, 02:11 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Kingairguy200
Maybe the DGI is gone and so are the CJO's..... I really hope that isn't a "give" but who knows. If the information is correct, we should be hearing something from the union soon. Or maybe they should communicate with us. We have heard nothing from them in the last couple months.... Are they working on anything?? Or is something big in the works.... Some real information would be nice
Id guess the give would be productivity. They don’t want guys sitting 15+ days off when they could be out flying. Especially as they need to make everybody productive to avoid future staffing issues.
05-02-2021, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingairguy200
Maybe the DGI is gone and so are the CJO's..... I really hope that isn't a "give" but who knows. If the information is correct, we should be hearing something from the union soon. Or maybe they should communicate with us. We have heard nothing from them in the last couple months.... Are they working on anything?? Or is something big in the works.... Some real information would be nice
05-02-2021, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Right what I mean is if you were a month from interview before covid, you’re probably a 2016 hire and now add an extra 2-3 years to the wait. That’s not insignificant when hiring is full swing, difference between being a newhire or being a widebody non-ER FO/narrowbody CA. Each year not at a legacy probably equals half a mil $ (one less year at top out pay, 401k DC, etc). If you’re mid seniority, you lose out on a few years while guys who went two, three times get your seniority # at mainline. Sure it’s now guaranteed, but the pass rate was 80% before covid hit, so you’re giving up seniority and longevity forever.
Id guess the give would be productivity. They don’t want guys sitting 15+ days off when they could be out flying. Especially as they need to make everybody productive to avoid future staffing issues.
Id guess the give would be productivity. They don’t want guys sitting 15+ days off when they could be out flying. Especially as they need to make everybody productive to avoid future staffing issues.
05-02-2021, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingairguy200
It actually sounds as if we have a tentative flow agreement. Initial bullet points include flowing 240 9E pilots a year straight to Delta. This is coming from the training department. And multiple Union members. Negotiation meeting is tomorrow and Delta wants to ink the deal by the end of the week.
In reality, all of this flow or staple talk is another carrot being dangled in front of the current pilots to keep them at 9E. I'm as hopeful as the next guy, but this has been in talks as long as any of us can remember.
In reality, all of this flow or staple talk is another carrot being dangled in front of the current pilots to keep them at 9E. I'm as hopeful as the next guy, but this has been in talks as long as any of us can remember.
05-02-2021, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Yet the MEC chair just said a week ago he has had no talks with Delta about this.
05-02-2021, 02:24 PM
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Very interesting. Hard to have an informed opinion either way until we hear details. I doubt it will be any worse than what we have, but it might not really be all that much better either. Or it could be awesome. Again, hard to say without knowing any specifics...
05-02-2021, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Yet the MEC chair just said a week ago he has had no talks with Delta about this.
05-02-2021, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingfiddler
Very interesting. Hard to have an informed opinion either way until we hear details. I doubt it will be any worse than what we have, but it might not really be all that much better either. Or it could be awesome. Again, hard to say without knowing any specifics...
05-02-2021, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingairguy200
But the vice chair is telling everyone the opposite? Who do we believe? Like I said before, it would be nice to have some form of actual communication from the union
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