Jamers

Last I heard is the Endeavor Air interview isn't a gimme. I believe the interviews are managed by Delta.

MIKEE

There I fixed it for you.

AlaskaBound

Maybe before they bought Mesaba in 2010 and merged the lists this would have been halfway accurate. There are a lot of quality people there now that it's giant mix of 9E and previous Mesaba...oh and some Colgan too. I always enjoyed flying with the Colgan guys.

legend

Y'all (Mikee,alaskabound)must be drinking your own cool aid thinking the pilots at 9e or even pre-merger are in that category. Good luck with the mirror on the wall!

MIKEE

Actually it is no reflection on the current pilots, but only a prediction of what they will attract.

FlyingOkra

"Maybe before they bought Mesaba."

So Mesaba pilots diluted the number of "drop out, have a DUI or several failures."

Na, I'd have to say that you guys were indicating that Pinnacle was pretty fruitful in that department prior to the merger. That's highly inaccurate and doubtful that you'd have the numbers to prove it. As a Pinnacle pilot I take offense to that statement.

During my 9 years at Pinnacle I've had the pleasure of working with a vast majority of highly qualified professional aviators that don't meet your description.

But I sure am thankful that we've been blessed by the presence of Mesaba and Colgan folks to help change those numbers.

I think every company has a few of those cases and Pinnacle was not exceptional in that department in any way.

FlyingOkra

You guys need to understand that everybody's situation is different and unique. I agree that at this point Endeavor may not have the brightest future, but some people are probably just looking for some type of initial 121 experience to put on their resumes. If Endeavor is the first to offer, then I'm sure they'll take it. They could always hold out for one of the other Regionals, but I'm sure they'd prefer to go ahead and start training, flying, getting some income, and experience to get them that next job.

They'll always be free to move onto that better gig at some point, but this might be what they needed to get there.

AlaskaBound

I think guys looking to get hired now have the upper hand. It's not a market where the pilots have to "settle". Everyone's hiring and to settle for Endeavor (a shrinking airline who is downgrading captains at the moment) is a huge mistake. Why settle for a measly paycheck that won't last long. Taking a job at Endeavor is like taking a temp job over a full time position at a different company. There's no need, in this market, to start training, flying, and getting some income and a little experience just to put it on their resume. Plus, that's not usually enough to get a job at a major in this environment. 7 year FO's with lots of experience who've never had the opportunity to upgrade are vying for those major airline vacancies...not to mention all of the Captains who have been waiting patiently. I think your mentality is out-dated and out of touch with reality.

FlyingOkra

I don't think it's out dated at all. I don't think you understood what I said. Everyone's situation is unique and different.

I said Some people and I'm not talking about the masses. I'd never be so ignorant to lump everybody into one size fits all. Nobody has to settle for anything, but there will be some that prefer Endeavor for personal reasons. Some pilots don't have the flexibility to move to certain cities, states, or regions and may prefer the Endeavor domiciles. For whatever reason family, home, friends, or some other personal commitments. They may prefer to live in domicile and not commute. Some may have references that will allow them to get on at Endeavor quicker than other Regionals.

I've run into a handful of military pilots at job fairs that have retired from the service and have been unsuccessful in finding employment thus far at the upper level of the industry. These guys are getting tired of sitting around the house, updating their resumes and applications on a daily basis in their underwear. These guys would love to get back to flying anything and would prefer Regional A, B, or C because it's in their backyard. They also feel that a little 121 time might help them get that next job.

Same goes for the numerous guys that are furloughed from places like World Airways, Evergreen, etc. This industry is very unforgiving when it comes to Recency of Experience. Plus, these guys are probably running through their savings or retirement pretty quickly. A little bit of income would help stop the bleeding.

Or those poor Flight Instructors that have been trying to get a job.

This industry is a many headed monster. There are people from all walks of life. These individuals may only come to Endeavor for a short period of time knowing full and well that they'll jump ship when the more preferred Regional, ULCC, LCC, or Major comes calling. But in the mean time they will have stayed current, gained experience, decreased any time frame of unemployment, stopped bleeding their savings, and possibly stayed closer to home.

Endeavor may not be the top choice. It may not be in the top ten choices. But it'll be somebody's choice. And only they can determine if it's their best choice.

Best of Luck to everybody!

PinnacleFO

Question: delta has a pass rate of 65% historically for interviews and that is the people they select. Why should endeavor have a higher pass rate? Just so we can attract new hires? Let them attract new hires by fixing endeavor, not by asking delta to hire more of our guys as a charity. Why should delta do anything to accommodate us? We already have been given a guaranteed interview no matter what you have in your past at a great airline. If you prepare for this interview you will pass it. The information is there but it's very hard and you have to be thurough.