Endeavor retention package
01-31-2015, 06:16 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: B-767 FO
Posts: 554
No past hatred PapaMike. I was a part of that rapid growth (2004 Hire that Upgraded in 2.5 years), but I don't ever recall 30 upgrades per month. That number is only sustainable through attrition and growth. Y'all have got the attrition thing going for ya, but planes are still being flown to the desert. Back then we were getting multiple new airplanes every month for years and hiring nearly 60 First Officers a month.
In order for the rapid upgrade to be a reality 9E will need to:
a) Hire new FO's
b) Stop the loss of airframes or grow the fleet in some other way (more 900s).
Where do you sit on the list PapaMike?
In order for the rapid upgrade to be a reality 9E will need to:
a) Hire new FO's
b) Stop the loss of airframes or grow the fleet in some other way (more 900s).
Where do you sit on the list PapaMike?
Last edited by FlyingOkra; 01-31-2015 at 06:34 AM.
01-31-2015, 06:32 AM
#102
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
No past hated PapaMike. I was a part of that rapid growth (2004 Hire that Upgraded in 2.5 years), but I don't ever recall 30 upgrades per month. That number is only sustainable through attrition and growth. Y'all have got the attrition thing going for ya, but planes are still being flown to the desert.
In order for the rapid upgrade to be a reality 9E will need to:
a) Hire new FO's
b) Stop the loss of airframes or grow the fleet in some other way (more 900s).
Where do you sit on the list PapaMike?
In order for the rapid upgrade to be a reality 9E will need to:
a) Hire new FO's
b) Stop the loss of airframes or grow the fleet in some other way (more 900s).
Where do you sit on the list PapaMike?
You guys should make yourself comfortable as an FO for the long haul. You are trading the Captain's chair for cash. You decide what's important.
01-31-2015, 06:41 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Nobody can yet predict what the regionals will look like over the next five years until C2015 is done at mainline. I'm expecting the elimination of more 50 seaters, and tightening of code shares in exchange for more 76 seaters. I expect most of Endeavor's 200's will be replaced with 900's, and E175s, IF they can staff them.
01-31-2015, 06:42 AM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,940
Originally Posted by higney85
The key will be if projections and reality are in the same ballpark. Last time this was attempted the company said "we are going to hire 300-350" and we got a total of, what 30? So believing will be a matter of seeing, although I believe the forecast wasn't for 30/mo anyway in terms of upgrades. There are less than 600 active FO's last I checked, and at 15 upgrades a month that's 40 months. Still comes down to new hires however you cut it. There will need to be over 150 upgrades in the remainder of the year alone to hit the 144 to DL and age 65 retirements alone. Add in United, American, etc- that number rises quickly but I can't forecast that total. Still pointless without new hires. So I say new hires!
01-31-2015, 07:05 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
Originally Posted by FirstClass
There will be no mass upgrades or increases in fleet size. That's why Delta is paying these guys $20,000 more a year to sit on their hands. They are not giving them the money because they feel generous.
You guys should make yourself comfortable as an FO for the long haul. You are trading the Captain's chair for cash. You decide what's important.
You guys should make yourself comfortable as an FO for the long haul. You are trading the Captain's chair for cash. You decide what's important.
01-31-2015, 09:57 AM
#106
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: Up Front
Posts: 1,628
Originally Posted by gojo
I'm continually amazed at how fast new guys can figure everything out these days. Must be a new kind of crystal ball out that I don't know about yet. Anyone that's been in the industry a while knows that you can't use words like: no, never, always. I agree, with the second part of your post. In the end it's your choice for whatever works best for you. However, things change quickly in this industry, and hindsight is the best indicator if you made the right choice or not.
Here I'll use mine:
"Endeavor is not the Regional to stay away from at this time, that would be ExpressJet."
01-31-2015, 12:30 PM
#107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,940
Originally Posted by gojo
I'm continually amazed at how fast new guys can figure everything out these days. Must be a new kind of crystal ball out that I don't know about yet. Anyone that's been in the industry a while knows that you can't use words like: no, never, always. I agree, with the second part of your post. In the end it's your choice for whatever works best for you. However, things change quickly in this industry, and hindsight is the best indicator if you made the right choice or not.
01-31-2015, 12:40 PM
#108
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 81
Been 121 since '96 and through the meat grinder. Here is the only absolute:
ALL REGIONAL CARRIERS SUCK
Pay and benies SUCK
Schedules SUCK
Find one that has a domicile where you want to be and resist the urge to hop between the suck-you'll only lose seniority ($)
GTF out ASAP
ALL REGIONAL CARRIERS SUCK
Pay and benies SUCK
Schedules SUCK
Find one that has a domicile where you want to be and resist the urge to hop between the suck-you'll only lose seniority ($)
GTF out ASAP
01-31-2015, 12:44 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 824
Hey I'm getting off military orders after 3 years and heading back to Endeavor. Can someone PM me so I can ask a few questions about what to expect regarding seniority, likely base, and pay/benefits? I got some great info a couple months ago but like to keep up to date regarding my employment conditions. Thanks guys, fly safe and see you soon!
01-31-2015, 12:58 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
Originally Posted by tom11011
There's a reason Delta is giving away $20,000 extra dollars per year and it's not out of the kindness of their heart. It's because they have nothing else to offer anyone to stay. A $20,000 yearly bonus should set off major warning flags to all newcomers.
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