Dunno, but if the peeps doing the negotiations had CJOs then it would not be in their interest to poke the bear. I personally think the pay negotiations are a red herring, to deflect from real issues that are uncomfortable.

Maybe people with cjo's shouldn't be in the negotiations. I know a couple of them that are great guys who want good things for us, but you've got a point. Maybe they subconsciously are less aggressive than that would be otherwise

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07-30-2017 | 11:28 AM

#14662

animation

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Casualinterest

What seems to be the consensus of what pilots here actually want?

07-30-2017 | 12:03 PM

#14663

prex8390

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Originally Posted by animation

What seems to be the consensus of what pilots here actually want?

Mainline money, flow, long call, better reserve rules, more 401k, long and short hotels, cheaper but better insurance More or less everything mainline has seems to be the common topic

07-30-2017 | 12:18 PM

#14664

web500sjc

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Originally Posted by prex8390

Mainline money, flow, long call, better reserve rules, more 401k, long and short hotels, cheaper but better insurance More or less everything mainline has seems to be the common topic

Delta +1 would be nice, as long as it had flow.

No pay cut intergrating the bonus into payrates, and normal raises there after. Short/Long/ better hotels. Better reserve rules. More defined Career Prgression.

07-30-2017 | 01:06 PM

#14665

Mesabah

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The only way to get a flow is to violate the Delta pilot scope clause, we did that pretty much with the SSP as well. That's not a road you really want to go down. However, we should be fighting for at least mainline pay rates/benefits.

07-30-2017 | 01:12 PM

#14666

Mesabah

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Originally Posted by Kforekyle

What!!! Ok how about the 20+year sim instructors/check airmen that got the double No? Smart move, I think not. Don't even go there buddy!

That has nothing to do with the other. I can think of many examples of people who Delta should have, and should not have hired. If you are unreliable as an employee, they probably won't hire you, as the potential for abuse is way higher on their contract.

07-30-2017 | 05:18 PM

#14667

msprj2

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I think reality is going to be disappointing. SkyWest pilots agreeing to
a very small raise basically screwed the industry. We have to be cost
competitive with them sadly. I think our negotiating committee is
going to run into a brick wall.

07-30-2017 | 06:18 PM

#14668

Mesabah

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Originally Posted by msprj2

We should have taken the company proposal of locking in the bonus as a two week payout.

07-30-2017 | 06:44 PM

#14669

msprj2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesabah

We should have taken the company proposal of locking in the bonus as a two week payout.

Probably, plus 401k, vac, long call, sick time, perdiem.

07-30-2017 | 07:06 PM

#14670

Folric

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Love watching you guys ***** about nothing. We are regional pilots a dime a dozeing get your degree And move on. You should't need a DGI if your good at what you do. Been here 2 months and I'm on to DELTA