TalkTurkey

So apparently the whitestone climb is becoming an issue again. This is to be expected when the lowest level of experience is brought right into the highest traffic and complexity in our operation. It is easy to mess up, I agree. But with a decent plan and execution, I think this climb should not be an issue. Oh well. Anyone care to offer up the best way not to eff this up? Bulleted format preferred for our new pilots.

jules11

Read the procedure and execute it as written. It's not that difficult. Come on guys...

TalkTurkey

I'm sure that's the most useful comment the newbs will ever need. Thanks so much for your sound input. Absolutely marvelous.

prex8390

You make a slight right turn and a long left turn. How are people messing this up. Turn the autopilot on early if youre a little overwhelmed with that.


But real talk, for a new guy when your trying to do call outs that are still new, like flaps autopilot calling departure, it can get busy. They should maybe give this to guys in their lofts other than just box patterns in MSP all week. Let them see it a few times before they get out on the line.

V1rotatebugv2

How quickly could a captain qualified new hire hold a CA slot, and how soon could he/her hold an ATL CA position (200 or 900)?

flydiamond

The Whitestone climb was as of not long ago covered *thoroughly* in MTs, including V1 cuts. I’m not sure if it’s changed.

And really, it’s not that hard. A good WARTS briefing should manage any threats ; )

flydiamond

It’s very much a moving target. The company was very successful in getting senior FOs to take the upgrades in all positions and bases (MSP excluded... for obvious reasons) on the latest vacancy award and upgrade times have been trending up. A recent LOA that shortens the seat lock following an upgrade failure will further drive up upgrade times for junior pilots.

To answer your question:
Junior captain upgrade on latest vacancy: March 2017 hire awarded NYC 200.

Most junior captain transfer to ATL 200 CA: July 2007 here. 900: June 2004 here.

Far, far more junior pilots (we’re talking new hires) have been awarded upgrades, including CA positions in ATL, but there has not much much growth in a ATL recently (I guess more to come following summer) and senior FOs want to upgrade.

TBH I would not expect to upgrade in under 24 months unless additional growth is announced... there is a tremendous number of FOs hired in 2016, 2017, and earlier in 2018 who will fill future vacancies.

Now whether or not future growth will be announced, seems like a very good chance. A very worthy gamble IMO.

AimHigh1

If you can't turn right.. then turn left.. there's other issues going on there. Turn the dang AP on if it's that hard.

Problem solved.

TalkTurkey

That’s a sound decision. But I feel everything should be covered before pushback. I also feel it should be handflown. So I’ll write what I asked others to do:

1. Make a 2-mile and 3 mile ring even with FMS 4.2.
2. PM use DME in case an LCP is watching
3. Brief the PM to turn the HDG knob to 180 and then 040 when appropriate without calling for it
4. Brief that there will be no commands or config changes until in the turn to 040. (This will cover the demands of 10-7 pages)
5. Hand fly the thing as per the 10-7 pages and turn between the ring.
6. Never have to write an ASAP.

I was mind blown when trying this after someone better than me taught me it.

Edgecrusher28

Any folks here doing the MSP/ATL commute? If so, would you kindly share your results thus far....thanks!