Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
03-14-2018, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SEMIslave
It’s not about the DOT rule of a FDP thing. It’s purely them getting more out of the maximum flight time limitation of 117.11.
So we can only do 8 or 9 hours of flight time depending on the report time. The way it is now they are counting block time as flight time for the regs. For example, if we block out but sit at the gate for 1 hour before push or more specifically before we move under our own power it is currently being counted toward those limits.
But the way the regs are written they can start the flight time clock at first forward movement. That will allow the company to have less people time out based on the flight time limits because of NY issues.
DOT, FDP, and pay remain unchanged.
So we can only do 8 or 9 hours of flight time depending on the report time. The way it is now they are counting block time as flight time for the regs. For example, if we block out but sit at the gate for 1 hour before push or more specifically before we move under our own power it is currently being counted toward those limits.
But the way the regs are written they can start the flight time clock at first forward movement. That will allow the company to have less people time out based on the flight time limits because of NY issues.
DOT, FDP, and pay remain unchanged.
03-14-2018, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor
Completion of oe
If you fly 25 hours OE, then do not break guarantee, is it 50 hours CA pay?
Or if you finish OE on the 10th for 30 day month, do you get 66% CA for the 75 hour min pay?
Also, rainmaker still shows $37 (old FO rate) so how long for payroll to start showing the new rates rather than adjusting the old ones?
Not complaining, just curious
03-14-2018, 05:18 AM
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So if flight time doesn’t count until forward movement under own power then all these FOs approaching 975 hours of flight time looking for an upgrade really aren’t anywhere near it if it’s been tracked by block out since first trip in the right seat, right?
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03-14-2018, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bar Harbor
So we pass LOA91.... get industry leading pay... and now we’re paying for that. Now the company is decreasing our schedule efficiency to offset delays... AND... our FDP is going to start at forward wheel movement under our own power. Zero FDP for block out, wait for push, push, engine start, wait for LGA ground to clear you to taxi. SMH
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03-14-2018, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by flydiamond
It’s not. The company mentioned this is something they’re looking into.
03-14-2018, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jules11
Then how do they know when we've blocked out but haven't pushed after 27 mins of waiting for a clearance at BF3? They said they measure this latency.
03-14-2018, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jules11
Then how do they know when we've blocked out but haven't pushed after 27 mins of waiting for a clearance at BF3? They said they measure this latency.
Ever wonder why the ramp crew runs away as soon as you close the door and the airplane rocks? Because they know you got the time started. In mainline-land, that plane is moving backwards in two minutes or else there's an internal delay code. That is the latency that keeps getting tossed around. I know a memo came out explaining some of this, maybe Tom explained it our class or something only, but i thought the company made pretty clear a year ago what this was about.
You still get paid like you always do, in exchange the 117 limits get a little breather.
Some of you think the company is reinventing the wheel here. It's the same push for long before i got here in '16, just make everything like delta.
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