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Old 07-15-2019 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Uhhhhh I’m pretty sure you still need to notify them of pilot deferrals.
I should reword myself and say that it’s notifying maintenance at the hub to have them come out as opposed to just contacting MOC and getting guided through the process of deferring something. The reason being that a delay ensues when maintenance must come out... I don’t honestly know which would take more time- deferring yourself or having MX do it for you. Kind of like deciding whether to take the JITNEY or walking down terminal 4 at JFK.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by aviatore
I have seen on a few occasions the chief pilot calling someone over a decision to notify maintenance of a discrepancy while at a hub instead of pilot-deferring it in the name of preserving D-0...
That's not telling someone to fly a broken airplane or pilot pushing. A pilot deferral should be a 5 minute exercise. If you choose not to complete that 5 minute exercise and leave it to MX then maybe you'd get a call but I never have. And IF you (or this person) got a call, did discipline result? Because if not, so what.

If that's the level of pilot pushing we're discussing then you have no idea how bad some other airlines have it.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
That's not telling someone to fly a broken airplane or pilot pushing. A pilot deferral should be a 5 minute exercise. If you choose not to complete that 5 minute exercise and leave it to MX then maybe you'd get a call but I never have. And IF you (or this person) got a call, did discipline result? Because if not, so what.

If that's the level of pilot pushing we're discussing then you have no idea how bad some other airlines have it.
I don’t know, I honestly don’t think multiple advisory phone calls from a chief pilot lead to discipline but I’m not in management so I can’t say for sure. Not here to have an argument, just contribute to a conversation. I like it here regardless and I just thought it was odd for one to be called about that. No one is flying broken airplanes here obviously.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 09:23 AM
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The procedure is to call dispatch/MOC, so I don't find it surprising that someone would be called with a reminder to that effect if they failed to do so. Especially if it resulted in an unnecessary delay.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
The procedure is to call dispatch/MOC, so I don't find it surprising that someone would be called with a reminder to that effect if they failed to do so. Especially if it resulted in an unnecessary delay.
The bigger issue is flying a broken airplane from an outstation to the hub, because you don't want to wait around for contract mx. That definitely deserves a phone call.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
The bigger issue is flying a broken airplane from an outstation to the hub, because you don't want to wait around for contract mx. That definitely deserves a phone call.
No one should be doing that. If maintenance advises you to do that, don't. If anyone tries to push you to do that, don't and call the union.

That's not a phone call, that's an FAA violation (and one that you can't ASAP btw).

I've never once, in all my time here, been asked or told to fly an airplane with an unresolved maintenance issue.

If it's broken, it gets fixed, ferried or deferred, those are the only options.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
No one should be doing that. If maintenance advises you to do that, don't. If anyone tries to push you to do that, don't and call the union.

That's not a phone call, that's an FAA violation (and one that you can't ASAP btw).

I've never once, in all my time here, been asked or told to fly an airplane with an unresolved maintenance issue.

If it's broken, it gets fixed, ferried or deferred, those are the only options.
Three words. “ go home day”. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear more people aren’t being pressured to fly but rather “we will write it up in Atlanta”
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Old 07-15-2019 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Three words. “ go home day”. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear more people aren’t being pressured to fly but rather “we will write it up in Atlanta”
I've more than once written stuff up on go home day at outstations, if that's where it broke, that's where it gets written up. So far, I don't know that I've even missed a commute home because of it yet. The day may come but keeping a violation off my record would be worth taking one flight later home, I'll have to hope I'm not in the minority.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by aviatore
I should reword myself and say that it’s notifying maintenance at the hub to have them come out as opposed to just contacting MOC and getting guided through the process of deferring something. The reason being that a delay ensues when maintenance must come out... I don’t honestly know which would take more time- deferring yourself or having MX do it for you. Kind of like deciding whether to take the JITNEY or walking down terminal 4 at JFK.
For me it’s -walk the terminal. Need to get some steps in whenever I can.
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Old 07-15-2019 | 02:51 PM
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Just a reminder as well that if you have a mechanical discrepancy and you call OCC; don’t let maintenance tell you to reset breakers or start engines to clear reverser cautions etc. You can do an aircraft power reset, but we don’t want to see corrective actions where you cycled breakers under the direction of MOC. Feds don’t want that anymore
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