My thoughts, as well. They're unlikely to offer an early out package, because our most senior CA makes less than a 2 year DAL FO, so it just isn't worth it.

For those of us counting (or not)...

• 70 positions up the active NYC 900 CA list is #761 - 5/9/2016.
• 50 positions up the active NYC 900 FO list is #1744 - 9/23/2019.

I didn't include PHTs, because I've learned over the last few months that they don't count toward positions on a vacancy or realignment, even when they move.

Of course, voluntary displacements or movements per bid can reduce the number of involuntary displacements.

DG already said they would consider offering VEOP in Q4 2020 if they needed to. Problem is the Delta VEOP would not work for us as most of our senior pilots are in their 50's.

We have 112 pilots on the latest ISL who are 59 or older. Only 30 63 or older.

https://i.imgur.com/wj383Zc.png

DG also said they would have to pay for them with 9E funds. So there is that.

I mean I think this is a little hyperbolic, and very fox news worthy. Another institution pointed out, correctly, that August and September are of the highest emigration months for nyc both in and out. And that while "estimates" say it's higher this year, it was also much higher after 9/11 and the financial crash. But people keep coming back. You can't kill NYC

Just my useless .02 here but anybody thinking a VEOP at EDV would do anything to save jobs isn't thinking logically. Look how many at Delta took the VEOP and how many they're still furloughing. Say 50-100(generous estimate) take a 'VEOP' here, its still not a 1 for 1 tradeoff. Thinking that a VEOP is going to be enough to save jobs at EDV is a pipe dream. The company has too many pilots, they're pulling them out of NYC in huge numbers and sending them to places that don't have the demand. It seems pretty clear that even with a huge LTLOA turnout(unlikely), there will be furloughs unless CARES 2 passes.

We won’t see much happen until delta can get people trained up to take the positions of those getting furloughed. 717 and 220 are pretty junior so more then likely a lot of those FOs are being furloughed and must be replaced and that creates fallout of people being forced out of seats elsewhere and it’s a training nightmare. Probably Feb-March 2021 is when we will see the axe if it’s coming at all.

You are correct in that 70% of the Bs on the A220 are in the 1941 and that question was brought up in one of the town halls to which their SVP of ops said they planned to utilize the 320 and 737 on those routes until the training churn can be sorted. The 220 will most likely be parked and any new deliveries will go straight to storage. Although that may seem like it benefits 9e, if Delta ends up furloughing, I don't see how 9e makes it through the gauntlet unscathed. The displacements from 20-04 and now 20-05 are a surplus and I would be surprised to see a proportional increase in dtw/atl like is being sold as the current plan. I hope I'm wrong.

Is it true the 700's come back out in October? I hope so. Would be good news.