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Old 08-16-2022, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 24Whiskey View Post
I was flying out of DFW on day 2 of the new call sign. Regional Departure was ****ED. “Who is Endeavor anyways? Are you some new regional?” And then followed about a year of being confused with Envoy.
Of course that was back in the days when we actually used to fly to DFW and out west as well as many places in Florida . Now we have crap for destinations and layovers and get to be humiliated while AA WO pilots make 40 percent more pay and 300 percent pickups . At this point just change the name back to Mesaba or something . Better yet just change it to Great Lakes . The name Endeavor just doesn’t fit the bill for a shrinking Airline while other airlines take the lead . American just put an order in for the new supersonic jets and AA WO’s are humiliating us in pay and 300 percent pickups .
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Old 08-17-2022, 04:04 AM
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Of course that was back in the days when we actually used to fly to DFW and out west as well as many places in Florida . Now we have crap for destinations and layovers and get to be humiliated while AA WO pilots make 40 percent more pay and 300 percent pickups . At this point just change the name back to Mesaba or something . Better yet just change it to Great Lakes . The name Endeavor just doesn’t fit the bill for a shrinking Airline while other airlines take the lead . American just put an order in for the new supersonic jets and AA WO’s are humiliating us in pay and 300 percent pickups .
I’d love for them to change the name back to Mesaba!

but that has nothing to do with the reason you’re implying.
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Old 08-17-2022, 05:14 AM
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Of course that was back in the days when we actually used to fly to DFW and out west as well as many places in Florida . Now we have crap for destinations and layovers and get to be humiliated while AA WO pilots make 40 percent more pay and 300 percent pickups . At this point just change the name back to Mesaba or something . Better yet just change it to Great Lakes . The name Endeavor just doesn’t fit the bill for a shrinking Airline while other airlines take the lead . American just put an order in for the new supersonic jets and AA WO’s are humiliating us in pay and 300 percent pickups .
Yep, it’s such a shame mainline operations have grown, offering more higher paying jobs to pilots.
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Old 08-17-2022, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by overqualified52 View Post
Of course that was back in the days when we actually used to fly to DFW and out west as well as many places in Florida . Now we have crap for destinations and layovers and get to be humiliated while AA WO pilots make 40 percent more pay and 300 percent pickups . At this point just change the name back to Mesaba or something . Better yet just change it to Great Lakes . The name Endeavor just doesn’t fit the bill for a shrinking Airline while other airlines take the lead . American just put an order in for the new supersonic jets and AA WO’s are humiliating us in pay and 300 percent pickups .
You could be flying those routes at mainline if you didn’t turn the flow down.
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Old 08-17-2022, 06:09 AM
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Yep, it’s such a shame mainline operations have grown, offering more higher paying jobs to pilots.
You make a great point . It just goes to show that the flying we are doing can be done by mainline profitably. They totally contradict themselves. They are paying two pilots a lot of money , 3 flight attendants, and all employees associated with mainline regarding doing that flying on 717, 220 instead of RJ9. So wouldn’t it be perfect sense to pay mainline rates on RJ9 for 2 pilots , 2 flight attendants and associated employees. It would still be cheaper . Or as you mentioned it would create even more higher paying jobs by just making it mainline by absorbing all 9E .
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Old 08-17-2022, 06:29 AM
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You make a great point . It just goes to show that the flying we are doing can be done by mainline profitably. They totally contradict themselves. They are paying two pilots a lot of money , 3 flight attendants, and all employees associated with mainline regarding doing that flying on 717, 220 instead of RJ9. So wouldn’t it be perfect sense to pay mainline rates on RJ9 for 2 pilots , 2 flight attendants and associated employees. It would still be cheaper . Or as you mentioned it would create even more higher paying jobs by just making it mainline by absorbing all 9E .
9E isn’t getting absorbed. Put the crack pipe down
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Old 08-17-2022, 12:43 PM
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Yep, it’s such a shame mainline operations have grown, offering more higher paying jobs to pilots.
This is up there with the guy in the IND hotel van the same week Delta announced the first order saying that 9E should be flying the CSeries. “Delta pilots don’t want to be flying them anyways.”

Meanwhile it’s probably the most productive domestic fleet thanks to its Texas flying.
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9E isn’t getting absorbed. Put the crack pipe down
yea, no one really knows the future . All I’m saying is they can clearly afford to pay “mainline” rates on 76 seaters . Your Delta MEC are the ones who have stated to Delta MGT several times now they want the 9E Aircraft and pilots brought to mainline ASAP . It may or may not happen but if I had a nickel every time someone said “that will never happen” in my 30 years doing this ? And I don’t smoke , it’s bad for one’s health 😎
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yea, no one really knows the future . All I’m saying is they can clearly afford to pay “mainline” rates on 76 seaters . Your Delta MEC are the ones who have stated to Delta MGT several times now they want the 9E Aircraft and pilots brought to mainline ASAP . It may or may not happen but if I had a nickel every time someone said “that will never happen” in my 30 years doing this ? And I don’t smoke , it’s bad for one’s health 😎
20 endeavor pilots a month are coming on board. Everybody has a shot. Those who stay it’s because they chose to.
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Of course that was back in the days when we actually used to fly to DFW and out west as well as many places in Florida . Now we have crap for destinations and layovers and get to be humiliated while AA WO pilots make 40 percent more pay and 300 percent pickups . At this point just change the name back to Mesaba or something . Better yet just change it to Great Lakes . The name Endeavor just doesn’t fit the bill for a shrinking Airline while other airlines take the lead . American just put an order in for the new supersonic jets and AA WO’s are humiliating us in pay and 300 percent pickups .
To read this one would think we were back to the days of pilots making 19,000/yr, when in reality many 9E FOs can easily break 6 figures and captains just got a bonus that breaks 6 figures alone while many CAs are breaking 200k/yr in non-bonus compensation.

Is everyone who is not a non-AA-WO making less than the AA WOs right now? Yes. But humiliated? There have literally never been more options to get out, if things are really that bad.
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