Why do mechanics make less than pilots?
04-17-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by kevbo
Socially, you are judged at the lowest common denominator. White collar types see mechanics as someone with dirty clothes and missing teeth. They need you but otherwise want nothing to do with you. Upward mobility is much about the things you simply refuse to do. What do you call an airline captain that cleans toilets? A janitor!
04-17-2019, 10:16 AM
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An A&P would be something to be proud of if it wasn't so easy to get. Worse, it's not even required to work on aircraft! It's silly to discuss. Flying has legitimate barriers to entry. Once these are crossed, a MX background will only make you look bad. Anyone making the change should expounge their past. Treat it like a felony charge that you were lucky enough to beat.
04-17-2019, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kevbo
An A&P would be something to be proud of if it wasn't so easy to get. Worse, it's not even required to work on aircraft! It's silly to discuss. Flying has legitimate barriers to entry. Once these are crossed, a MX background will only make you look bad. Anyone making the change should expounge their past. Treat it like a felony charge that you were lucky enough to beat.
04-17-2019, 12:20 PM
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I don’t get the opinion that getting an A&P is easier than pilot certs. My A&P took 2 years to get, and 2000hrs of required classroom/lab instruction. We even had a time clock we had to punch to track are time. The test took 2.5 days and the only thing I have done that comes close to the test was my CFI check ride.
Now the barrier to entry is a little higher for pilots in that it is very expensive to get. I had to work for 5 years to save up the money to get all my ratings but the check rides were not harder than the A&P test.
I will say the A&P written tests are a joke, anyone can pass them. Also I found the IA test to be easy, but I took it after they eliminated the requirement for the oral portion.
Now the barrier to entry is a little higher for pilots in that it is very expensive to get. I had to work for 5 years to save up the money to get all my ratings but the check rides were not harder than the A&P test.
I will say the A&P written tests are a joke, anyone can pass them. Also I found the IA test to be easy, but I took it after they eliminated the requirement for the oral portion.
04-17-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cfimechanic
I don’t get the opinion that getting an A&P is easier than pilot certs. My A&P took 2 years to get, and 2000hrs of required classroom/lab instruction. We even had a time clock we had to punch to track are time. The test took 2.5 days and the only thing I have done that comes close to the test was my CFI check ride.
Now the barrier to entry is a little higher for pilots in that it is very expensive to get. I had to work for 5 years to save up the money to get all my ratings but the check rides were not harder than the A&P test.
I will say the A&P written tests are a joke, anyone can pass them. Also I found the IA test to be easy, but I took it after they eliminated the requirement for the oral portion.
Now the barrier to entry is a little higher for pilots in that it is very expensive to get. I had to work for 5 years to save up the money to get all my ratings but the check rides were not harder than the A&P test.
I will say the A&P written tests are a joke, anyone can pass them. Also I found the IA test to be easy, but I took it after they eliminated the requirement for the oral portion.
04-17-2019, 01:31 PM
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Chuck Yeager disagrees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager
I went to one of his Q&A's at Oshkosh and he heavily attributed his success as a pilot to the fact that he was a mechanic first and then became a pilot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager
I went to one of his Q&A's at Oshkosh and he heavily attributed his success as a pilot to the fact that he was a mechanic first and then became a pilot.
04-18-2019, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Not only that but unions don't really have to honor other craft's strikes. Where does that stop? If the hotel maids union strikes do I refuse to go on overnight trips so I don't cross their line?
Not only that but even if the pilots wanted to, it would be illegal under RLA.
Not only that but government employees shouldn't be allowed to strike anyway.
Not only that but even if the pilots wanted to, it would be illegal under RLA.
Not only that but government employees shouldn't be allowed to strike anyway.
Rick. Seriously. YOU DON'T CROSS THE PICKET LINE.
You first work with your union to get the company to change hotels. If unable, YOU change the hotel that YOU are staying at. Hopefully you can get the company to reimburse you, if not you eat the money and consider it well spent.
Joe
04-18-2019, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by joepilot
Ref the maids strike:
Rick. Seriously. YOU DON'T CROSS THE PICKET LINE.
You first work with your union to get the company to change hotels. If unable, YOU change the hotel that YOU are staying at. Hopefully you can get the company to reimburse you, if not you eat the money and consider it well spent.
Joe
Rick. Seriously. YOU DON'T CROSS THE PICKET LINE.
You first work with your union to get the company to change hotels. If unable, YOU change the hotel that YOU are staying at. Hopefully you can get the company to reimburse you, if not you eat the money and consider it well spent.
Joe
Crossing the line to get to the other side of the road is not "crossing the line". Crossing the line to do your own job is not "crossing the line". You are not protected in either of those cases, most especially under RLA.
I agree it's nice to not cross a line if you can help it, and I certainly wouldn't on my own personal time, ie I'd take my business elsewhere. I don't think I'm going to do that on an overnight though, especially at my own significant expense. Curious to hear what others think though.
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