Envoy qol
06-23-2017, 05:18 PM
#91
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Just heard TSA passed their PBS with some QOL improvements that included a 4.25 min day. If they can get these type of improvements why can't our union negotiate the same?.....oh yea that is because we are to busy negotiating "satellite bases that benefit the company and only a small percentage of our pilot group.
06-24-2017, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
Just heard TSA passed their PBS with some QOL improvements that included a 4.25 min day. If they can get these type of improvements why can't our union negotiate the same?.....oh yea that is because we are to busy negotiating "satellite bases that benefit the company and only a small percentage of our pilot group.
06-24-2017, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
Just heard TSA passed their PBS with some QOL improvements that included a 4.25 min day. If they can get these type of improvements why can't our union negotiate the same?.....oh yea that is because we are to busy negotiating "satellite bases that benefit the company and only a small percentage of our pilot group.
Not everything comes down to pay and pay isn't always about the short term. There is value in upgrading quicker, flowing quicker, getting TPIC quicker beyond just the per hour dollar amount.
When you say small percentage of our pilot group, do you stop to think about how many people were thrilled to get Miami back? I understand that was once a base, but it shows that people live all over and having bases open is a good thing. Thats my opinion though your free to your own.
06-24-2017, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AZPilotMike
Well, to YOU the LOA wasn't a big deal. To me however, if it allows for west coast bases to open or even better, one in PHX, that would be a huge QOL improvement for me. In addition, it would most likely equate to more aircraft which is good for everyone. Faster upgrades, more new hires etc.
Not everything comes down to pay and pay isn't always about the short term. There is value in upgrading quicker, flowing quicker, getting TPIC quicker beyond just the per hour dollar amount.
When you say small percentage of our pilot group, do you stop to think about how many people were thrilled to get Miami back? I understand that was once a base, but it shows that people live all over and having bases open is a good thing. Thats my opinion though your free to your own.
Not everything comes down to pay and pay isn't always about the short term. There is value in upgrading quicker, flowing quicker, getting TPIC quicker beyond just the per hour dollar amount.
When you say small percentage of our pilot group, do you stop to think about how many people were thrilled to get Miami back? I understand that was once a base, but it shows that people live all over and having bases open is a good thing. Thats my opinion though your free to your own.
06-24-2017, 06:12 AM
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More airplanes means quick upgrades but possibly longer flow because those airplanes have to be staffed. I don't want more airplanes or more desirable overnights. I want to be properly staffed so my flow date isn't postponed. Sure, a lot of our overnights suck and commuting sucks for the guys that do it, but no matter what they do here, QOL will never be as good as it is at mainline. I'm not suggesting that we settle for the way things are now, but there are many other ways to improve QOL besides opening bases with the same crappy schedules for a small QOL improvement.
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06-24-2017, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by XNAflyer
More airplanes means quick upgrades but possibly longer flow because those airplanes have to be staffed. I don't want more airplanes or more desirable overnights. I want to be properly staffed so my flow date isn't postponed. Sure, a lot of our overnights suck and commuting sucks for the guys that do it, but no matter what they do here, QOL will never be as good as it is at mainline. I'm not suggesting that we settle for the way things are now, but there are many other ways to improve QOL besides opening bases with the same crappy schedules for a small QOL improvement.
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06-24-2017, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AZPilotMike
Well, to YOU the LOA wasn't a big deal. To me however, if it allows for west coast bases to open or even better, one in PHX, that would be a huge QOL improvement for me. In addition, it would most likely equate to more aircraft which is good for everyone. Faster upgrades, more new hires etc.
Not everything comes down to pay and pay isn't always about the short term. There is value in upgrading quicker, flowing quicker, getting TPIC quicker beyond just the per hour dollar amount.
When you say small percentage of our pilot group, do you stop to think about how many people were thrilled to get Miami back? I understand that was once a base, but it shows that people live all over and having bases open is a good thing. Thats my opinion though your free to your own.
Not everything comes down to pay and pay isn't always about the short term. There is value in upgrading quicker, flowing quicker, getting TPIC quicker beyond just the per hour dollar amount.
When you say small percentage of our pilot group, do you stop to think about how many people were thrilled to get Miami back? I understand that was once a base, but it shows that people live all over and having bases open is a good thing. Thats my opinion though your free to your own.
06-25-2017, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by XNAflyer
More airplanes means quick upgrades but possibly longer flow because those airplanes have to be staffed. I don't want more airplanes or more desirable overnights. I want to be properly staffed so my flow date isn't postponed. Sure, a lot of our overnights suck and commuting sucks for the guys that do it, but no matter what they do here, QOL will never be as good as it is at mainline. I'm not suggesting that we settle for the way things are now, but there are many other ways to improve QOL besides opening bases with the same crappy schedules for a small QOL improvement.
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06-25-2017, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
Your ignoring the people who have seen this song and dance before. Your going to get many more tdys to places like PHL and DCA, not a PHX base. Hope the union donuts in the crew room made up for the future.
Time will tell.
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