Direct Entry Captains
03-27-2019 | 05:05 AM
#121
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I came here when upgrades were 9 years and Dfw fo Reserve was 5 years. Planes were leaving. Bases were closing and pay was crap. I had my reasons. You had your reasons. It’s a personal choice. Don’t be so pretentious that you think you can choose best for people you don’t even know.
03-27-2019 | 05:57 AM
#122
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I came here when upgrades were 9 years and Dfw fo Reserve was 5 years. Planes were leaving. Bases were closing and pay was crap. I had my reasons. You had your reasons. It’s a personal choice. Don’t be so pretentious that you think you can choose best for people you don’t even know.
03-30-2019 | 10:37 AM
#123
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I came here as a DEC for the sole reason of 121 pic experience. Do you have a better alternative to get that in 2 years or less?
03-30-2019 | 02:41 PM
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04-03-2019 | 09:58 AM
#125
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04-03-2019 | 10:06 AM
#126
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From: CRJ9 CA
Mesa is advertising for DEC as well - even if you didn't you can upgrade as soon as you have the 1000 121 time. I should say you can TRY to upgrade - not everyone makes it.
04-03-2019 | 10:20 AM
#127
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Sure, there are some that this situation may work out for, but there are not many. I can see why someone over at Express Jets might have come this way, but again I dont think the pros outweigh the cons anymore.
04-03-2019 | 05:52 PM
#128
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Direct Entry CA and Equipment:
At the moment I am thinking of making a lateral move to Envoy. I fly the E175 as an FO, really enjoy flying it and I want to stick to it for a while if possible. That being said, I want to secure a job in American in less than 8 years, thus moving to Envoy seems like a possible action I could take regardless if I can still fly the 175 or not. I could give three fks about the base.
Few questions:
Thanks
Few questions:
- Can I bid for any equipment as a new hire Direct Entry CA?
- How does the bidding for E145, E175 or CRJ700 works for new hires Direct Entry CA?
- How is the breakdown of the $45k bonus they advertise for Direct Entry CA?
- Anyone done this Direct Entry CA thing into the E175 that I can DM?
- Whats the Direct Entry CA training footprint look like?
- Is Direct Entry CA an AQP initial or a classic checkride?
- How often they have Direct Entry CA classes, how big are they?
- Regarding FLOW TIME, is it the same for new hires FO and new hires CA?
- How long are the Direct Entry CA reserve times before holding a line?
Thanks
04-03-2019 | 06:04 PM
#129
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From: Whale FO
At the moment I am thinking of making a lateral move to Envoy. I fly the E175 as an FO, really enjoy flying it and I want to stick to it for a while if possible. That being said, I want to secure a job in American in less than 8 years, thus moving to Envoy seems like a possible action I could take regardless if I can still fly the 175 or not. I could give three fks about the base.
Few questions:
Thanks
Few questions:
- Can I bid for any equipment as a new hire Direct Entry CA?
- How does the bidding for E145, E175 or CRJ700 works for new hires Direct Entry CA?
- How is the breakdown of the $45k bonus they advertise for Direct Entry CA?
- Anyone done this Direct Entry CA thing into the E175 that I can DM?
- Whats the Direct Entry CA training footprint look like?
- Is Direct Entry CA an AQP initial or a classic checkride?
- How often they have Direct Entry CA classes, how big are they?
- Regarding FLOW TIME, is it the same for new hires FO and new hires CA?
- How long are the Direct Entry CA reserve times before holding a line?
Thanks
4. I don't think any DEC's are senior enough yet to hold the 175.
6. AQP
9. 3-4 years is probably realistic estimate for reserve.
04-03-2019 | 06:10 PM
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At the moment I am thinking of making a lateral move to Envoy. I fly the E175 as an FO, really enjoy flying it and I want to stick to it for a while if possible. That being said, I want to secure a job in American in less than 8 years, thus moving to Envoy seems like a possible action I could take regardless if I can still fly the 175 or not. I could give three fks about the base.
Few questions:
Thanks
Few questions:
- Can I bid for any equipment as a new hire Direct Entry CA?
No, only the aircraft that are left over after the rest of the pilot group bids in a vacancy bid. More than likely 145. Small chance of the CRJ. Almost zero chance 175. - How does the bidding for E145, E175 or CRJ700 works for new hires Direct Entry CA?
You bid on the first day of class, but often the DECs have one choice: ORD 145. If you started today, that would be your only option. We currently have a vacancy bid open now, so whatever is left after that, you'll have your pick. - How is the breakdown of the $45k bonus they advertise for Direct Entry CA?
No idea, but I've heard only a small amount of people have qualified for the entire $45k. I think something closer to $40k is more common. - Anyone done this Direct Entry CA thing into the E175 that I can DM?
No DEC has been awarded the 175 on the first day. - Whats the Direct Entry CA training footprint look like?
Long term training, just like everybody else. About 2.5-3 months from start to finish. - Is Direct Entry CA an AQP initial or a classic checkride?
AQP. - How often they have Direct Entry CA classes, how big are they?
Classes are starting every 2 weeks. - Regarding FLOW TIME, is it the same for new hires FO and new hires CA?
Yes, Seniority based no matter your position. - How long are the Direct Entry CA reserve times before holding a line?
YEARS. Seriously. You have to remember that everybody else ahead of you on the seniority list will always be ahead of you. So all of those brand new FOs will zero 121 time will upgrade someday. And when they do, they'll bump you back down.
Thanks
The DEC boat looks like it's either sailed already, or is pulling up anchor now. You definitely don't want to be the last guy on the boat. That's a miserable existence of 2-4 years as the very bottom guy on the reserve list. That means 11 day off, airport standby every. Single. Day. Also, our reserve rules are really terrible.
I'm not all doom and gloom, in fact, I'm really happy here. But now is definitely not the time to DEC into here.
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