Notices
Envoy Airlines Regional Airline

Flow to AA

Old 02-15-2018, 09:28 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Skyhawk121's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 228
Default Flow to AA

As someone that has the goal of working at AA, I am hoping to ask a couple of questions since a direct flow to my major of choice seems like a great opportunity.

I have read a bunch of posts about "flow violations" and things like that, but since I don't work at Envoy, I don't know what is true. Is there any truth behind the flow violation claims?

Also, on Envoy's APC profile it says, "At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 9 years and increasing". Is this true? Would it really take nearly 10 years to flow to AA?

Thanks in advance for any insight you might have.
Skyhawk121 is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 09:58 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 290
Default

You'll find a lot of company bashers on this site. In a nutshell, the flow is working as projected and I would not expect to spend 9 years waiting to get to AA. You'll find yourself at AA much, much sooner.
cr700 is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 10:01 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
Default

Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 View Post
As someone that has the goal of working at AA, I am hoping to ask a couple of questions since a direct flow to my major of choice seems like a great opportunity.

I have read a bunch of posts about "flow violations" and things like that, but since I don't work at Envoy, I don't know what is true. Is there any truth behind the flow violation claims?

Also, on Envoy's APC profile it says, "At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 9 years and increasing". Is this true? Would it really take nearly 10 years to flow to AA?

Thanks in advance for any insight you might have.

In short, depending on how you decipher the contract, yes the flow is being violated in the pilot/union's eyes and not from a company stand point. It's under grievance right now.

Yes, a new hire today is looking at 10 years to flow. Probably more to be honest. And that is barring no major industry shockwaves.
CaptJackSparrow is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 10:04 AM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
Default

Originally Posted by cr700 View Post
You'll find a lot of company bashers on this site. In a nutshell, the flow is working as projected and I would not expect to spend 9 years waiting to get to AA. You'll find yourself much, much sooner.
You are fake news.
CaptJackSparrow is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 10:15 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 667
Default

Originally Posted by cr700 View Post
You'll find a lot of company bashers on this site. In a nutshell, the flow is working as projected and I would not expect to spend 9 years waiting to get to AA. You'll find yourself at AA much, much sooner.
Try not to listen to this guy, he is Andy, works in the CP office, and is RW dog. We have roughly 2225 pilots, 25 pilots a month flow. Flow usually happens 10 months of the year. So if you divide 2225 by 250 you get 8.9 years.
Smutter is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 10:57 AM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 239
Default

Originally Posted by Smutter View Post
Try not to listen to this guy, he is Andy, works in the CP office, and is RW dog. We have roughly 2225 pilots, 25 pilots a month flow. Flow usually happens 10 months of the year. So if you divide 2225 by 250 you get 8.9 years.
Thatís not correct math. The flow does not stay at 25/mo. It soon reduces to 15/mo and then a formula that will be ~15-20/mo.
Subpilot is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 11:04 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
BIueSideUp's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Fetal
Posts: 226
Default

Originally Posted by Subpilot View Post
Thatís not correct math. The flow does not stay at 25/mo. It soon reduces to 15/mo and then a formula that will be ~15-20/mo.
Yesss. You can bet every last penny of your bonus that the flow will be kept as low as can possibly be construed from the language in the contract. 15/month is going to happen.
BIueSideUp is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 11:10 AM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Default

Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 View Post
As someone that has the goal of working at AA, I am hoping to ask a couple of questions since a direct flow to my major of choice seems like a great opportunity.

I have read a bunch of posts about "flow violations" and things like that, but since I don't work at Envoy, I don't know what is true. Is there any truth behind the flow violation claims?

Also, on Envoy's APC profile it says, "At this point in time, new hires should expect to flow in 9 years and increasing". Is this true? Would it really take nearly 10 years to flow to AA?

Thanks in advance for any insight you might have.
So here is the deal. If EVERYONE on property minus the current lifers took the flow AND AA hires every month then your flow will be 10ish years. Neither are likely to happen so the "projected" flow times are completely crap. The statement, "The flow is working as projected." means absolutely nothing. Whose projections? Is it contractual? We projected to flow in October and December but we didn't. Oppps. Honestly you will likely in my best guess flow in under 7 years. And that's a huge guess. I think attrition will have a huge impact on those numbers.

The union has a grievance on flow violations. It's goal is to restore contractual flow and retroactively change AA seniority for harmed pilots.
Pedro4President is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 11:26 AM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 184
Default

Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
So here is the deal. If EVERYONE on property minus the current lifers took the flow AND AA hires every month then your flow will be 10ish years. Neither are likely to happen so the "projected" flow times are completely crap. The statement, "The flow is working as projected." means absolutely nothing. Whose projections? Is it contractual? We projected to flow in October and December but we didn't. Oppps. Honestly you will likely in my best guess flow in under 7 years. And that's a huge guess. I think attrition will have a huge impact on those numbers.

The union has a grievance on flow violations. It's goal is to restore contractual flow and retroactively change AA seniority for harmed pilots.
Any idea when this grievance is supposed to be settled?
DanRoman is offline  
Old 02-15-2018, 11:34 AM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Default

Originally Posted by DanRoman View Post
Any idea when this grievance is supposed to be settled?
Two years.
Pedro4President is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jet Jockey 00
Piedmont Airlines
6961
01-09-2024 08:14 AM
ag386
Envoy Airlines
96
07-11-2019 06:15 AM
StudentsScareMe
Technical
6
04-26-2015 01:56 PM
Skyler02
Regional
9
12-29-2014 02:00 PM
N927EV
Regional
245
03-28-2014 06:29 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices