Ouch... reading comprehension is not strong with this one. I have made no accusations and only speculated on why some of our pilots may be upset. Maybe he does have another title and has been hired by the recruiting department as well but that links back to my original comment of "I do not care". If he is hired or has been hired to have another title then that would mean he would no longer be just a normal line pilot and would then not be held to the normal contract and would have access to these SAs the same as delivery flights, interviews, etc.. (weird, it is almost like I said that before). I replied to you because you are making incorrect assumptions (and uninformed accusations) based on your "experience" about our contract and overall operation when you openly admitted that you do not have a clue. I would contact my rep if I cared and would urge any other actual envoy pilot in good standing with the union to do the same if they care. Cool story about the other airline pilots out there trying to make it, but I am not sure why that matters to the conversation you and I have had. I agree that ALPA is aware and most likely does not care, but in case you have not noticed, there have been far larger issues pressing them in the last year or two that requires more attention (see COVID, AIP, etc) which would make this a really small blip on their radar that could just be on a back burner.

Safe flying out there if you are still doing so.

 

Your assumptions are incorrect.

Section 24 is Supervisory/Special flying;

Basically if the company wants Swayne to help them as a special PR person, they need to take him off line flying and front his salary as part of the recruiting/management budget. Not line pilot credit. The get around this because Swayne is running his own business using Envoy flying while selling the content back to Envoy.

Section 26 is dedicated to Maintenance pilot positions. These are qualified and bid roles with special contractual pay and rules.

Envoy has the old Eagle contract which dates to the 1980's. It's 700 pages and the most comprehensive regional pilot contract in existence that I know of.

 

Then I will retract everything I have said. I was wrong on the internet.

What's the deal with your union then? Why haven't they addressed this? Contrary to my appearance, I am not a fan of pilot youtube personalities. That's the only reason I noticed this thread. Swayne stuck out to me because he was one of the few that I couldn't find was doing something wrong. If I were an Envoy pilot, I would demand a response from my rep.

 

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the union can do about it?

 

It should be treated as any other incorrectly assigned trip should be treated; file a grievance pay & the pilots that would have been qualified to operate any flight Swayne did. This is really common stuff that anyone involved with ALAP should be able to handle.

 

I've been occasionally involved with ALPA, and I have no clue what you are talking about.
No arbitrator would ever side with the association over a pilot who occasionally does S/As for recruiting purposes. There are also a few annoying things you have to prove, such as quantifiable harm to the pilot group and so on. And all of this with the strict burden of proof that ALPA would have in arbitration.

 

yeah take my Joke statement of it is America as a political statement. Delusional much? Did the president touch you in your Nono place?

 

Dude, I know it wasn't. Just trying to start trouble.

 

With all this fancy modern technology we still have no method to effectively express sarcasm via forms? Can't we get a button for that?

 

Apples & oranges. He is not a management pilot. You think a management pilot bids a line and flys 75 hours a month, having multiple FDP's?

If the company takes him off on S/A to do a specific flight that's pretty much management rights. So is the rest of what he's doing. They can remove and pay protect a guy, then stick SM in on a flight under S/A pretty much at will... (assuming the rules haven't changed much since I left)