Here Comes Swayne
12-09-2020 | 06:19 AM
#873
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The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
12-09-2020 | 07:59 AM
#874
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You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
Envoy ALPA isn't typical ALPA. They don't rattle the cage in fear of jeopardizing their own flow. Company has a history of targeting and firing union reps.
12-09-2020 | 08:39 AM
#875
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You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
The only thing that gets done outside of the contract disputes are representation and the odd phone call to scheduling when there’s still time to correct something for a pilot.
12-09-2020 | 08:43 AM
#876
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What happens if you directly ask your rep about what Swayne is doing. Get a rep responding in email that Envoy is violating the contract, but ALPA doesn't want to fight it.
You can either use that to run a campaign against that rep, or if Envoy ALPA is that bad, start a decertification process. Why pay union dues if your union doesn't want to defend the contract?
12-09-2020 | 09:09 AM
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What happens if you directly ask your rep about what Swayne is doing. Get a rep responding in email that Envoy is violating the contract, but ALPA doesn't want to fight it.
You can either use that to run a campaign against that rep, or if Envoy ALPA is that bad, start a decertification process. Why pay union dues if your union doesn't want to defend the contract?
You can either use that to run a campaign against that rep, or if Envoy ALPA is that bad, start a decertification process. Why pay union dues if your union doesn't want to defend the contract?
when I did contract compliance as a volunteer at envoy, only about 5% of the open/shut cases, the pilots that called complaining bothered to actually file anything.
of those that did file, only about 30% submitted/uploaded the required evidence, even when you made it super easy for them.
12-09-2020 | 09:45 AM
#878
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You are correct. All I had to do was bring it to the attention of ALPA and a corrected paycheck was issued. My point was that if the company is violating the contract, ALPA will address it. If for some reason, the company didn't correct my paycheck, it would have gone through the entire grievance process.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
The idea that Swayne and Envoy are violating the contract be either not paying him out of management's marketing budget or assigning him flights that some other pilot should have been able to do yet ALPA doesn't think that is important is laughable. I have seen ALPA take far less much more seriously.
My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy.
The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them.
I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is.
12-09-2020 | 09:52 AM
#879
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I have never seen any evidence that Envoy is paying Swayne for the videos. Well, apart from these APC rumors that most of the time are unsubstantiated.
My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy.
The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them.
I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is.
My understanding is that he gets his payment through YouTube ads, not from Envoy.
The flights he did for filming was when he was on reserve. S/A flights on rsv do not go above guarantee, so he was flying for free. There are quite a few pilots who do special assignments, and no-one complains about them.
I still fail to see where the harm or contractual violation is.
12-09-2020 | 12:51 PM
#880
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Again the issue that MOST of us have is with being allowed to video Envoy flights and then making money from his YouTube and personal websites with that video THAT NO ONE ELSE is allowed to do.
The irony of this is that besides THKoolAid and Swayne, MOST people now won’t even admit to working at Envoy on social media so don’t even WANT to take any pictures or video lest someone ever be offended and run afoul of the company. It doesn’t matter if you ever say something good, but say one little thing that may offend someone or anything negative and you risk losing your job.
