Envoy Air don’t come here
08-25-2021 | 10:33 AM
#651
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With that said, the Republic pilot group has been too far aggressive with Mainline AA. The fact your Union bypassed APA and went directly to AAG management was kinda a low blow. How the whole JS war went down with United to the point an entire website was detonated to blacklisting YX pilots, you can see how some may get the impression UX pilots may be stuck there for a while. And with that said, y’all have at least a decent contract if anything.
The YX jumpseat committee has reached out to the APA for literally years to facilitate this change. The emails went totally ignored. Not just a response that said "we're not interested," but categorically ignored. So ask yourself, which group displayed professionalism in this situation? And ask yourself what you would do in the same situation. Would you just accept it, or would you move on to the next group that could make a decision about this? Mind you, the APA was included in all communications that YX had with AA management.
And then they have the audacity to complain about being circumvented? C'mon, man. It was their actions that led to the consequence of them being circumvented.
Moreover, there continues to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the United situation. They tried to change how we process our jumpseat list. Not how we get priority on their flights, what the priority list would be on OUR aircraft. We pushed back. As any airline should have. No airline gets to dictate another's jumpseat priority. Period. Despite what you have heard about how that situation went, United changed it back to what we had originally.
And despite the bluster at the time, we have heaps of pilots leaving for United right now, so any threats then were likely fragile egos talking.
I am not a fan of non-wholly owned carriers coming on here and bashing us because of a flow agreement
The people and crews I’ve worked with have been amazing so far and things are moving again, we’re getting 300% OT rates (yes even super junior people have gotten SCC by knowing the system), so we make do here.
Can their be improvements? Absolutely! But this isn’t some dumpster fire. We all want what’s best for for our people and our company, plain and simple. Personally, I think only two people remain in the way from a total positive reform.
Can their be improvements? Absolutely! But this isn’t some dumpster fire. We all want what’s best for for our people and our company, plain and simple. Personally, I think only two people remain in the way from a total positive reform.
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08-25-2021 | 10:45 AM
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08-25-2021 | 10:54 AM
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What are the details on this? ENY has definitely been hemorrhaging mid to high seniority FOs and starting to see a bit of attrition in captains as well. They definitely need to change something. August has already seen twice as many leave as new hire. Last class was still almost half recalls.
08-25-2021 | 10:57 AM
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Dear Piedmont Pilots:
I am pleased to share that Piedmont and your ALPA leadership team have reached a tentative agreement that will be the largest pilot recruitment and retention package in our company’s history. Today’s announcement offers current pilots and new pilots increased stability in an industry rocked by uncertainty over the past 18 months. This package represents not only a large financial commitment, but a commitment to building a sustainable Piedmont Airlines that will carry us well into the future and ensures that American Airlines will have a steady pipeline of pilots for years to come.
Highlights of the package include:
A $30,000 retention bonus paid in November to all current captains. Current and new first officers will receive $30,000 upon successful upgrade to captain.
$70,000 to pilots who flow to American Airlines starting with our September flow pilots.
The opportunity to earn an additional $50,000 ($25,000 per year for two years) for meeting a threshold of working hours.
Increased pay rates for first officers and captains to enhance Piedmont’s competitive position
An enhanced flow agreement that will allow us to send additional pilots to American when attrition and hiring targets are met
I would like to thank Brandon Lighty and our ALPA MEC for their cooperation as we worked to put this package in place. Throughout the pandemic, the company and ALPA have worked together to protect Piedmont pilots from furlough and meet the demands of the operation in an ever-changing environment. Our ability to out-perform all other American Airlines regionals, take on flying when necessary and deliver a safe product to our customers is what led to this significant investment. Any pilot who flies for Piedmont now, or chooses Piedmont in the future, will have a solid future with our company and eventually an opportunity with American Airlines if they wish to flow.
Our communications and recruiting teams are currently getting up to speed and will release more information soon.
Remember that the $10,000 referral bonus is in place, and there has never been a better time to refer a pilot to Piedmont. New hires will receive some additional incentives, including a type rating bonus and a Part 121 experience bonus. Find referral information here on MyPiedmont.
Thank you for the work you’ve done to bring Piedmont to this point, and for caring for our team members and customers each day. We are proud to offer this opportunity to our pilots and look forward to the contributions each of you will make to Piedmont’s continued success.
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Steve Keefer
Vice President, Flight OperationS
I am pleased to share that Piedmont and your ALPA leadership team have reached a tentative agreement that will be the largest pilot recruitment and retention package in our company’s history. Today’s announcement offers current pilots and new pilots increased stability in an industry rocked by uncertainty over the past 18 months. This package represents not only a large financial commitment, but a commitment to building a sustainable Piedmont Airlines that will carry us well into the future and ensures that American Airlines will have a steady pipeline of pilots for years to come.
Highlights of the package include:
A $30,000 retention bonus paid in November to all current captains. Current and new first officers will receive $30,000 upon successful upgrade to captain.
$70,000 to pilots who flow to American Airlines starting with our September flow pilots.
The opportunity to earn an additional $50,000 ($25,000 per year for two years) for meeting a threshold of working hours.
Increased pay rates for first officers and captains to enhance Piedmont’s competitive position
An enhanced flow agreement that will allow us to send additional pilots to American when attrition and hiring targets are met
I would like to thank Brandon Lighty and our ALPA MEC for their cooperation as we worked to put this package in place. Throughout the pandemic, the company and ALPA have worked together to protect Piedmont pilots from furlough and meet the demands of the operation in an ever-changing environment. Our ability to out-perform all other American Airlines regionals, take on flying when necessary and deliver a safe product to our customers is what led to this significant investment. Any pilot who flies for Piedmont now, or chooses Piedmont in the future, will have a solid future with our company and eventually an opportunity with American Airlines if they wish to flow.
Our communications and recruiting teams are currently getting up to speed and will release more information soon.
Remember that the $10,000 referral bonus is in place, and there has never been a better time to refer a pilot to Piedmont. New hires will receive some additional incentives, including a type rating bonus and a Part 121 experience bonus. Find referral information here on MyPiedmont.
Thank you for the work you’ve done to bring Piedmont to this point, and for caring for our team members and customers each day. We are proud to offer this opportunity to our pilots and look forward to the contributions each of you will make to Piedmont’s continued success.
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Steve Keefer
Vice President, Flight OperationS
08-25-2021 | 11:14 AM
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Looks like Envoy is matching.
That's a solid incentive. Clearly targeted to keep FOs on property. I think this is something a lot of regionals will struggle with immensely over the next several years.
Glad to see this kind of creativity!
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That's a solid incentive. Clearly targeted to keep FOs on property. I think this is something a lot of regionals will struggle with immensely over the next several years.
Glad to see this kind of creativity!
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08-25-2021 | 11:17 AM
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Looks like Envoy is matching.
That's a solid incentive. Clearly targeted to keep FOs on property. I think this is something a lot of regionals will struggle with immensely over the next several years.
Glad to see this kind of creativity!
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That's a solid incentive. Clearly targeted to keep FOs on property. I think this is something a lot of regionals will struggle with immensely over the next several years.
Glad to see this kind of creativity!
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But still the first positive sign of an improvement.
08-25-2021 | 11:32 AM
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Your comments are valid and I agree with most of them. But the above quoted needs some correcting.
The YX jumpseat committee has reached out to the APA for literally years to facilitate this change. The emails went totally ignored. Not just a response that said "we're not interested," but categorically ignored. So ask yourself, which group displayed professionalism in this situation? And ask yourself what you would do in the same situation. Would you just accept it, or would you move on to the next group that could make a decision about this? Mind you, the APA was included in all communications that YX had with AA management.
And then they have the audacity to complain about being circumvented? C'mon, man. It was their actions that led to the consequence of them being circumvented.
Moreover, there continues to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the United situation. They tried to change how we process our jumpseat list. Not how we get priority on their flights, what the priority list would be on OUR aircraft. We pushed back. As any airline should have. No airline gets to dictate another's jumpseat priority. Period. Despite what you have heard about how that situation went, United changed it back to what we had originally.
And despite the bluster at the time, we have heaps of pilots leaving for United right now, so any threats then were likely fragile egos talking.
To be very clear, I'm not remotely bashing the flow. It's a useful insurance policy. My criticism is that your company (perhaps not the pilots) has invested so much energy in propaganda touting the flow to the detriment of other contractual improvements that would benefit the pilots.
I don't doubt this at all. By and large, most airlines are like this. Good people all around. As I said, I sincerely hope you get what you deserve. I have friends at Envoy and don't have any personal animosity toward the airline or your pilot group.
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The YX jumpseat committee has reached out to the APA for literally years to facilitate this change. The emails went totally ignored. Not just a response that said "we're not interested," but categorically ignored. So ask yourself, which group displayed professionalism in this situation? And ask yourself what you would do in the same situation. Would you just accept it, or would you move on to the next group that could make a decision about this? Mind you, the APA was included in all communications that YX had with AA management.
And then they have the audacity to complain about being circumvented? C'mon, man. It was their actions that led to the consequence of them being circumvented.
Moreover, there continues to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the United situation. They tried to change how we process our jumpseat list. Not how we get priority on their flights, what the priority list would be on OUR aircraft. We pushed back. As any airline should have. No airline gets to dictate another's jumpseat priority. Period. Despite what you have heard about how that situation went, United changed it back to what we had originally.
And despite the bluster at the time, we have heaps of pilots leaving for United right now, so any threats then were likely fragile egos talking.
To be very clear, I'm not remotely bashing the flow. It's a useful insurance policy. My criticism is that your company (perhaps not the pilots) has invested so much energy in propaganda touting the flow to the detriment of other contractual improvements that would benefit the pilots.
I don't doubt this at all. By and large, most airlines are like this. Good people all around. As I said, I sincerely hope you get what you deserve. I have friends at Envoy and don't have any personal animosity toward the airline or your pilot group.
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Yeah I understand that. It’s a tough break, didn’t know they ghosted like that.
The flow is exactly that, an insurance policy, but the company has run out of time using that as an excuse. Piedmont just got a new amendment to their contract (congrats guys and gals!) so we will see where us and PSA step up to the plate.
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