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2nd... looks like Mesa is copying GoJet's homework. When their aircraft are getting scoped out, downsize.
I don't think AA will go for it. Take a look at the lengths they go to in order to cram 18 more seats on a 737. You really think they will take seats off a 900 just to keep Mesa flying?
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1st... Probably should be it's own thread.
2nd... looks like Mesa is copying GoJet's homework. When their aircraft are getting scoped out, downsize.
I don't think AA will go for it. Take a look at the lengths they go to in order to cram 18 more seats on a 737. You really think they will take seats off a 900 just to keep Mesa flying?
2nd... looks like Mesa is copying GoJet's homework. When their aircraft are getting scoped out, downsize.
I don't think AA will go for it. Take a look at the lengths they go to in order to cram 18 more seats on a 737. You really think they will take seats off a 900 just to keep Mesa flying?
#2235
Mesa is asking AA about it only to keep Mesa flying. AA is scoped out. With the 175s being brought on property, AA either needs more narrowbodies (737 max, 190 retirements, awkward...), or park older large RJs 1 for 1. When push comes to shove, the economics and dismal performance of Mesa points to Mesa being the next to lose AA flying. Just like GoJet, this looks like a hail mary to keep flying by reclassifying their aircraft. Taking 14 seats off of a 79 seat aircraft is a big hit to revenue, and we all know that the bean counters run the show at AAG.
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Mesa is asking AA about it only to keep Mesa flying. AA is scoped out. With the 175s being brought on property, AA either needs more narrowbodies (737 max, 190 retirements, awkward...), or park older large RJs 1 for 1. When push comes to shove, the economics and dismal performance of Mesa points to Mesa being the next to lose AA flying. Just like GoJet, this looks like a hail mary to keep flying by reclassifying their aircraft. Taking 14 seats off of a 79 seat aircraft is a big hit to revenue, and we all know that the bean counters run the show at AAG.
#2237
Mesa is asking AA about it only to keep Mesa flying. AA is scoped out. With the 175s being brought on property, AA either needs more narrowbodies (737 max, 190 retirements, awkward...), or park older large RJs 1 for 1. When push comes to shove, the economics and dismal performance of Mesa points to Mesa being the next to lose AA flying. Just like GoJet, this looks like a hail mary to keep flying by reclassifying their aircraft. Taking 14 seats off of a 79 seat aircraft is a big hit to revenue, and we all know that the bean counters run the show at AAG.
You’ll see consolidation (get your mergers committee spooled up and trained) among the WO.... then pulling flying back in house to keep the operation staffed, upgrades going, and will force the vendor pilots not hired elsewhere to recycle themselves as new hires leaving their dying regional for a place with movement. They’ll go where flying is being added, and upgrades still happening.
Places like TSA C5 G7 all will face stagnation as they can’t hire and then can’t upgrade. Shrinkage follows as the flying gets pulled back in house to keep it covered. Bankruptcies and buyouts will happen as a survival technique
Just look at Compass for the example.
Called all of this 5 years ago. (called compass 2 years ago)
#2238
Pulling the flying back in house was always in the cards. With the staffing shortage to worsen, they need to keep butts in the seats at their WO airlines.
You’ll see consolidation (get your mergers committee spooled up and trained) among the WO.... then pulling flying back in house to keep the operation staffed, upgrades going, and will force the vendor pilots not hired elsewhere to recycle themselves as new hires leaving their dying regional for a place with movement. They’ll go where flying is being added, and upgrades still happening.
Places like TSA C5 G7 all will face stagnation as they can’t hire and then can’t upgrade. Shrinkage follows as the flying gets pulled back in house to keep it covered. Bankruptcies and buyouts will happen as a survival technique
Just look at Compass for the example.
Called all of this 5 years ago. (called compass 2 years ago)
You’ll see consolidation (get your mergers committee spooled up and trained) among the WO.... then pulling flying back in house to keep the operation staffed, upgrades going, and will force the vendor pilots not hired elsewhere to recycle themselves as new hires leaving their dying regional for a place with movement. They’ll go where flying is being added, and upgrades still happening.
Places like TSA C5 G7 all will face stagnation as they can’t hire and then can’t upgrade. Shrinkage follows as the flying gets pulled back in house to keep it covered. Bankruptcies and buyouts will happen as a survival technique
Just look at Compass for the example.
Called all of this 5 years ago. (called compass 2 years ago)
C5 is as WO as it gets in the UAX world.
Otherwise mostly agree
#2239
Skywest & Republic will be the two sure to survive. A few others have decent shots, most will be merged, consolidated, bought, or acquired through BK. Even a mainline big 3 executive level officer at a town hall meeting a few months ago slipped that the only expect Skypest and Repubelick to survive. The video got pulled, but there are a few copies floating around in private hands.
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I for one enjoy his take on things. While I dont think we should dwell on the past or hold the company to the grates over what happened in BK, I do think we need to always remember what happened. In order to keep it from happening again we need to remember and understand what this company is capable of doing to its pilot group.
The pilot group took one for the team, conceded to so many things, gave away so many benefits, all to keep the company afloat. You would think the company would be more willing to come to the table and fix its previous wrongs, giving back what we gave up to save them. The problem is, once something is taken, much like temporary tax increases, it is very hard to ever get it back.
Anyway, I have no issue with Cujo being here and keeping everyone honest of our history. I also think we need to move forward as well in an educated fashion.
The pilot group took one for the team, conceded to so many things, gave away so many benefits, all to keep the company afloat. You would think the company would be more willing to come to the table and fix its previous wrongs, giving back what we gave up to save them. The problem is, once something is taken, much like temporary tax increases, it is very hard to ever get it back.
Anyway, I have no issue with Cujo being here and keeping everyone honest of our history. I also think we need to move forward as well in an educated fashion.
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