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03-31-2019, 10:10 AM
#181
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I said it in the Republic thread and I will say it here, Compass is a paper airline. They don’t own gates, slots, ground handling or airplanes. They have bodies. Why on earth would we want SLI when envoy could just hire them off the street at cheaper rates and not have to deal with contract negotiations? AAG isn’t as stupid as people think.
No owned planes
No owned gates
No owned terminal
No owned Ground Equipment (That's Envoy Ground Services)
No owned slots
No ticket sales in own name
I actually tried to get ALPA to argue that the Railway Labor Act did not apply to regionals since we were not real airlines. We are staffing companies. That the RLA was written at a time when the outsourced regional business model didn't even exist. For example, you couldn't go threaten an PanAm pilot to take concessions or we'll give your flying to TWA. ALPA actually liked that and began to research if it could have legs to help us in the bankruptcy to stop them from outsourcing the flying (changing the status-quo). They liked it right up until somebody correctly pointed out that while we may just be a training and staffing company.... it is a training & staffing company that holds and FAA Air Carrier Certificate. There ended that legal argument.
03-31-2019, 01:14 PM
#182
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,656
Originally Posted by Cujo665
What does that make Envoy?
No owned planes
No owned gates
No owned terminal
No owned Ground Equipment (That's Envoy Ground Services)
No owned slots
No ticket sales in own name
I actually tried to get ALPA to argue that the Railway Labor Act did not apply to regionals since we were not real airlines. We are staffing companies. That the RLA was written at a time when the outsourced regional business model didn't even exist. For example, you couldn't go threaten an PanAm pilot to take concessions or we'll give your flying to TWA. ALPA actually liked that and began to research if it could have legs to help us in the bankruptcy to stop them from outsourcing the flying (changing the status-quo). They liked it right up until somebody correctly pointed out that while we may just be a training and staffing company.... it is a training & staffing company that holds and FAA Air Carrier Certificate. There ended that legal argument.
No owned planes
No owned gates
No owned terminal
No owned Ground Equipment (That's Envoy Ground Services)
No owned slots
No ticket sales in own name
I actually tried to get ALPA to argue that the Railway Labor Act did not apply to regionals since we were not real airlines. We are staffing companies. That the RLA was written at a time when the outsourced regional business model didn't even exist. For example, you couldn't go threaten an PanAm pilot to take concessions or we'll give your flying to TWA. ALPA actually liked that and began to research if it could have legs to help us in the bankruptcy to stop them from outsourcing the flying (changing the status-quo). They liked it right up until somebody correctly pointed out that while we may just be a training and staffing company.... it is a training & staffing company that holds and FAA Air Carrier Certificate. There ended that legal argument.
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