Originally Posted by Excargodog

And our management puts it in late 2022. Somebody is lying, quite possibly both.

My guess - and it’s no more than that - is we get a Delta contract extension until the AA flying does go away, and then get sold lock, stock, and barrel to Republic, and Republic keeps the birds and the flying.

Originally Posted by bigtime209

Your understanding of that situation is slightly off. We did not accept concessions to then have AAG go ahead and send the planes elsewhere. The concessions didn't get voted in until AAG sent those planes to Compass. Those 20 planes were slated to come here in exchange for concessions demanded by the new AAG management (US Air). After already taking cuts during the AMR bankruptcy just a couple of years prior and seeing the looming pilot shortage, we as a pilot group thought it was ludicrous to take concessions. So concessions were voted down multiple times. AAG and namely Scott Kirby didn't appreciate that at all. So they gave us the middle finger and sent those 20 planes to the lowest bidder (Compass), started sending our CRJs to PSA (who started the race to the bottom by voting in concessions while us and other regionals voted no), and started sending our 145s to Trans States and ExpressJet. This was the beginning of a very dark time here which resulted in nearly half of our seniority list jumping ship.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude

Thanks for cleaning up the details. As I said, before my time.

Bottom line, those 20 planes should be at Envoy.

I know there are those that would argue they don’t want them now because that would be growth and is perceived to be bad for flow.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

And our management puts it in late 2022. Somebody is lying, quite possibly both.

My guess - and it’s no more than that - is we get a Delta contract extension until the AA flying does go away, and then get sold lock, stock, and barrel to Republic, and Republic keeps the birds and the flying.

Originally Posted by Cujo665

It was a six year deal done in 2014, with options to extend. AAG will not extend the option.

I don’t think you’ll be bought at all. I think the AA planes come back, the Delta flying gets pulled back in house to keep upgrades going... and instead of being bought, forcing the new owner to pay high seniority wages, they’ll let it go bankrupt and pick the pieces off that they want for pennies on the dollar. They’ll offer preferential hiring and you get to recycle yourself as new hires saving the companies big bucks. buying it would be the expensive way.

Originally Posted by bigtime209

Your last sentence says it all. Who gives a sheeit if they're at Envoy or not? Has nothing to do with flow. The flow remains absolutely the same no matter how many planes we have. Flow doesn't change a bit regardless. What does matter is that it would be more planes to staff which means more crunch on staffing which is a QOL hit. More reason to abuse RSV pilots, JM, deny RSV swaps, deny PVDs/POs, deny drops, take a hit on lines etc...there are plenty of planes coming from the factory that they're already going to have to figure out how to staff. Those 20 planes coming here does nothing but harm their pilot group and our pilot group.

Originally Posted by BigZ

You've never heard about SLI, have you?

Originally Posted by Phoenix21

If those planes were at Envoy there’d be one less 175 carrier that AA uses to whipsaw you guys with... that should be enough motivation on its own.