Flow
03-08-2019, 08:01 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by buddies8
If management said we will be 200 airplanes and we are almost there then growth stops.
If we are reclaiming lost flying, we are still losing current flying to others.
As long as skw and compass are in lax there will be no growth. As long as rah is in Mia, dca and phl there will be no growth. As long as mesa and skw are in dfw there will be no growth.
They just move the shell so you cant find the peanut.
If we are reclaiming lost flying, we are still losing current flying to others.
As long as skw and compass are in lax there will be no growth. As long as rah is in Mia, dca and phl there will be no growth. As long as mesa and skw are in dfw there will be no growth.
They just move the shell so you cant find the peanut.
But don’t take this to mean I believe we get LAX with the planes, although I do think it would be smart if they did. As much as I hate the idea, that would generate enough interest in Envoy to keep people coming in without otherwise changing the contract.
03-08-2019, 09:51 AM
#132
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Based on what AAG has said about feeders and if you do the math, the 20 175s from Compass plus scheduled 175 deliveries minus the CRJs to PSA would put us at 200 planes and that rate of transfer that Compass took the planes would be doable as the contract expires.
But don’t take this to mean I believe we get LAX with the planes, although I do think it would be smart if they did. As much as I hate the idea, that would generate enough interest in Envoy to keep people coming in without otherwise changing the contract.
But don’t take this to mean I believe we get LAX with the planes, although I do think it would be smart if they did. As much as I hate the idea, that would generate enough interest in Envoy to keep people coming in without otherwise changing the contract.
Wait.... some are saying envoy will grow, and grow fast. having the compass pilots come with the planes accomplishes that task for management. How would that effect the flow?
03-08-2019, 09:52 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
Wait.... some are saying envoy will grow, and grow fast. having the compass pilots come with the planes accomplishes that task for management. How would that effect the flow?
03-08-2019, 10:20 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by BigZ
You've never heard about SLI, have you?
Yeah. And you honestly think they would even consider that?
SLI like that has never been done. You're talking about carving out a partial block of pilots from a regional (how would these even selected?) and integrating them into another seniority list, all this without buying/acquiring/merging with that said regional. Just to cover flying for 20 airframes? That would keep the union/company lawyers busy for a very long time.
I know facts and numbers aren't really your forté, but come on now.
03-08-2019, 10:34 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by havick206
Why would there be any SLI?
If the GoJet CRJ550s teach us anything, it should be that mainlines aren't in the mood to let regionals close the doors just yet.
03-08-2019, 10:48 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by dera
Well, the compass pilots, if for some reason they suddenly joined, would be new hires, so the flow time at the bottom would increase drastically.
That said, it would only apply if AAG bought and merged Compass into Envoy. Why on earth would they ever do that?
Don’t renew the CPA, take the planes back, offer preferential hiring to their pilots. The pilots come in as cheap inexpensive new hires.
That’s much smarter than buying them, merging, and having to pay pilots at higher seniority steps. In fact, when the industry consolidation happens, that’s how AAG will likely do it. Not renew the CPA, then offer the pilots preferential hiring. Recycle themselves as new hires just to have a job. Much as our junior FO’s recycled themselves at places like TSA and PSA right when the flying was transferred getting themselves very quick upgrades.
Last edited by Cujo665; 03-08-2019 at 11:10 AM.
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