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Old 02-27-2019 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Most airlines aren't as quick to throw letters in your file as Envoy.
Now that's a different issue altogether.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 08:18 AM
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Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

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PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?
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Old 02-28-2019 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by griff312
Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

From faa.gov

PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?
Flowing to AA for people hired after 2011 is not guaranteed. It's not just subject to pria, but also how Envoy feels about you.

If you are hired after 2011, your flow to AA can be withheld by Envoy for any reason.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by griff312
Now wait a minute! So you're telling me that a step 2 letter for attendence (sick call(s), not accepting a JM on a day off, ect...) all of a sudden has something to do with training records? I thought PRIA only had your training & checking records?

From faa.gov

PRIA requires that a hiring air carrier under 14 CFR parts 121 and 135, or a hiring air operator under 14 CFR part 125, request, receive, and evaluate certain information concerning a pilot/applicant's training, experience, qualification, and safety background, before allowing that individual to begin service...

Or did I misunderstand, and you are talking about 2 different things?
Thats my understanding as well. Not sure why a step letter would ever be in PRIA, and if it were would seem like an easy lawsuit should a person be denied a job from that. If you can prove it of course.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Flowing to AA for people hired after 2011 is not guaranteed. It's not just subject to pria, but also how Envoy feels about you.

If you are hired after 2011, your flow to AA can be withheld by Envoy for any reason.
I don't think that is true.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
I don't think that is true.
It is 100% true. Read the contract.

After the 824 and PP are gone, The company is under no obligation to flow you if you are subject to any performance or behavioral concerns. The company decides what a performance and behavioral problem is. They are the prosecutor and the judge.

I'd also like to add that the flow is about to drop off big time in 10 months. Going from 29/month to 15/month overnight.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 02:52 PM
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The thing that hasn’t been said is if word gets out the they are jacking with the flow people will leave. We are not slaves here. Plenty of other ways to get to mainline besides envoy.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
It is 100% true. Read the contract.

After the 824 and PP are gone, The company is under no obligation to flow you if you are subject to any performance or behavioral concerns. The company decides what a performance and behavioral problem is. They are the prosecutor and the judge.

I'd also like to add that the flow is about to drop off big time in 10 months. Going from 29/month to 15/month overnight.
Only if you have active letters on your file, not about "concerns".

Drops from 29 to 15, then picks up again after a while. I think it goes up to 20ish per month with the current pilot count.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Only if you have active letters on your file, not about "concerns".

Drops from 29 to 15, then picks up again after a while. I think it goes up to 20ish per month with the current pilot count.
Letters last years.
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Old 02-28-2019 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Letters last years.
2 years. It's in the contract. Keep your nose clean for the last 2 years and you should do just fine.
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