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Old 03-26-2019, 09:38 AM   #11  
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Proffer to displace will only work if there are open vacancies when they do the proffer to displace run. They will not displace a junior pilot holding the position you want with a proffer to displace (only with a regular displacement).

It is possible that some current OCE will vacancy bid to another base or equipment, effectively creating more than 5 vacancies. However, there's no guarantee the company will chose to backfill those positions either.

If it were me, and I wanted OCE AND also wanted displacement benefits, I'd proffer to displace but include all the 145 bases in my proffer. I think the chances of getting 145 captain 'somewhere' is high. If I didn't get OCE, I could still vacancy bid back on a future bid.
Thanks so much for the info - I am currently a DCE, and frankly don't need the displacement benefits anymore, as I was displaced last year to captain. When I look at the OCE N6D, I am pretty sure I will be a line holder, as I am really tired of being a very junior reserve captain...even though I live in base.

Like anything, could be a total crap shoot, as I am sure some DCE will move to the 50 DCL vacancies.

Thanks again!
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:49 AM   #12  
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Thanks so much for the info - I am currently a DCE, and frankly don't need the displacement benefits anymore, as I was displaced last year to captain. When I look at the OCE N6D, I am pretty sure I will be a line holder, as I am really tired of being a very junior reserve captain...even though I live in base.

Like anything, could be a total crap shoot, as I am sure some DCE will move to the 50 DCL vacancies.

Thanks again!
Ah, OK. I misunderstood the question. In your case, if you want OCE, just put OCE at the top of your 3P and 3D. I don't think there's any way a proffer to displace will help you.
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Ah, OK. I misunderstood the question. In your case, if you want OCE, just put OCE at the top of your 3P and 3D. I don't think there's any way a proffer to displace will help you.
If already a DCE, just preference. If you have the seniority, but they donít backfill, youíre not going to get it anyway and there is nothing you are losing out on with the preference.
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If already a DCE, just preference. If you have the seniority, but they don’t backfill, you’re not going to get it anyway and there is nothing you are losing out on with the preference.
It's possible to get there with a 3D as well if he's junior enough in Dallas to get displaced from an upgrading FO but senior enough to hold it in Chicago. He didn't say exactly how junior he was (I'm not going to study the seniority list to figure out where a junior lineholder in ORD falls in DFW) which is why I told him 3P and 3D. It's certainly what I'd do if I were him.
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It's possible to get there with a 3D as well if he's junior enough in Dallas to get displaced from an upgrading FO but senior enough to hold it in Chicago. He didn't say exactly how junior he was (I'm not going to study the seniority list to figure out where a junior lineholder in ORD falls in DFW) which is why I told him 3P and 3D. It's certainly what I'd do if I were him.
Thanks for the info - really appreciate it. I am not so junior that I risk getting displaced out of DCE (as frankly I am not that junior), but probably am not senior enough to be one of the top 5 to get OCE via a 3P.

That being said, I looked at OCE N6D today, and I would be a very senior reservist for April...right on the fringe month to month, so might just stay in Dallas.

Thanks!
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Thanks for the info - really appreciate it. I am not so junior that I risk getting displaced out of DCE (as frankly I am not that junior), but probably am not senior enough to be one of the top 5 to get OCE via a 3P.

That being said, I looked at OCE N6D today, and I would be a very senior reservist for April...right on the fringe month to month, so might just stay in Dallas.

Thanks!
Remember, the top guys on N6D often bid reserve on purpose. You need their 3XP to see who got awarded what.
Almost half of DFL reserve guys are there on purpose. The top guy could easily hold a line as DFW 175 CA.
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It's possible to get there with a 3D as well if he's junior enough in Dallas to get displaced from an upgrading FO but senior enough to hold it in Chicago. He didn't say exactly how junior he was (I'm not going to study the seniority list to figure out where a junior lineholder in ORD falls in DFW) which is why I told him 3P and 3D. It's certainly what I'd do if I were him.
My point of preference vs displacement is that if already in captain status on a 145, there is no training lock involved or override to be gained, so no reason not to preference.
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How do we proffer to displace?

Can we proffer one status and not the other vacancies?
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How do we proffer to displace?

Can we proffer one status and not the other vacancies?
The union has been putting out an email explaining how to proffer to displace (and the overall process itself) each bid but usually the night before the bid closes. If you go back and look at your old email the night before the last bid closes you can probably find it. lol

There is an RF form that notifies the company of your intent to proffer to displace. Then you have to arrange your 3D a certain way. If you only wanted to be considered for one position, you'd have that first in your 3D, then your current position in your 3D immediately after that, then all the other positions in the company in order of desire after your current position.

Keep in mind though, you will not displace junior pilots with a proffer to displace.
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The union has been putting out an email explaining how to proffer to displace (and the overall process itself) each bid but usually the night before the bid closes. If you go back and look at your old email the night before the last bid closes you can probably find it. lol

There is an RF form that notifies the company of your intent to proffer to displace. Then you have to arrange your 3D a certain way. If you only wanted to be considered for one position, you'd have that first in your 3D, then your current position in your 3D immediately after that, then all the other positions in the company in order of desire after your current position.

Keep in mind though, you will not displace junior pilots with a proffer to displace.

Does someone from your status have to be displaced in order for you to get the proffer to displace? Or could an LGA 145 FO proffer to displace over a CRJ ORD FO?
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