Poor Union Communication
05-08-2019 | 04:55 PM
#131
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My point is that, if the company had the ability to offer 25% - 30% (not that they likely would actually offer that), you just told them that you would settle for 20%. So now they'll low ball from there.
You don't think that they absolutely LOVE to see the pilot group going out on public forums to bash thier union? This just gives them ammo to further fracture the pilot group. Play the haves against the have-nots. Disagree with your union all you want. Call them, go to meetings and get in thier faces if you want. Challenge thier position and run against them if you want. But for the love of God, DON'T wave your dirty laundry in your bosses faces!
You don't like what's coming from ALPA? Bro, YOU ARE ALPA!
You don't think that they absolutely LOVE to see the pilot group going out on public forums to bash thier union? This just gives them ammo to further fracture the pilot group. Play the haves against the have-nots. Disagree with your union all you want. Call them, go to meetings and get in thier faces if you want. Challenge thier position and run against them if you want. But for the love of God, DON'T wave your dirty laundry in your bosses faces!
You don't like what's coming from ALPA? Bro, YOU ARE ALPA!
05-08-2019 | 08:42 PM
#135
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Given the market is even more favorable to pilots now than then, I think we should be looking for something like pay rates +25%+something. What that "+something" is and whether it's enough, I'll wait and see what the union comes to us with. But simply adding 20% pay is definitely NOT enough.
05-08-2019 | 09:20 PM
#136
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I've pointed this out in the past here regarding this 'minimum 20%' and I've said in the past it's still a concessionary rate. Endeavor's rates are more like 25% more AND they were given in the fall of 2017 AND those rates came with better work rules (reserve and commuter benefits).
Given the market is even more favorable to pilots now than then, I think we should be looking for something like pay rates +25%+something. What that "+something" is and whether it's enough, I'll wait and see what the union comes to us with. But simply adding 20% pay is definitely NOT enough.
Given the market is even more favorable to pilots now than then, I think we should be looking for something like pay rates +25%+something. What that "+something" is and whether it's enough, I'll wait and see what the union comes to us with. But simply adding 20% pay is definitely NOT enough.
05-09-2019 | 03:54 AM
#137
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Really? I was just looking at my own pay step and came up with 20 for PSA and 25 for Endeavor but it wouldnt surprise me if that s a little off for the pilot group as a whole. Whatever Endeavor's is, we should be pushing for THAT plus. Not this PSA crap.
05-09-2019 | 04:44 AM
#138
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I am alpa, I am the union. Been hearing that for a while. Unfortunately the only people who get voted on by the membership is the base reps.
Then the bylaws of alpa allow for secret dealings, and for no pilot vote required on anything. It is up to the mec. Want to tell me when you think the least time this pilot group voted on anything.
Yes I am the union, I pay for it and get shi+ in return.
Then the bylaws of alpa allow for secret dealings, and for no pilot vote required on anything. It is up to the mec. Want to tell me when you think the least time this pilot group voted on anything.
Yes I am the union, I pay for it and get shi+ in return.
05-09-2019 | 09:10 PM
#139
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I am alpa, I am the union. Been hearing that for a while. Unfortunately the only people who get voted on by the membership is the base reps.
Then the bylaws of alpa allow for secret dealings, and for no pilot vote required on anything. It is up to the mec. Want to tell me when you think the least time this pilot group voted on anything.
Yes I am the union, I pay for it and get shi+ in return.
Then the bylaws of alpa allow for secret dealings, and for no pilot vote required on anything. It is up to the mec. Want to tell me when you think the least time this pilot group voted on anything.
Yes I am the union, I pay for it and get shi+ in return.
