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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:11 PM
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Whelp. There ya have it. N-I-P just set the ceiling at a max 20%, since someone already just laid that groundwork. Thanks. The company will work downward from there.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:25 PM
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Actually it was minimum 20 percent. the lastmec blackout brought us the last loa, nothing but gains for management. 20 percent minimum increase across all pay rates. The union can walk away anytime it wants, that's fine with me. The screws will just be tightened on envoy management. Have not had a decent pay raise on 10 years what's another 6 months. I just ask for the mec not to give up anything, nothing.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by griff312
Whelp. There ya have it. N-I-P just set the ceiling at a max 20%, since someone already just laid that groundwork. Thanks. The company will work downward from there.
So why choose that one as the bar to work down from and not mine or any other?

Originally Posted by pitchattitude
How about this:

Nothing short of an industry leading paradigm shift in compensation and work rules.

Everyone is saying the current regional model is not sustainable. AAG and Envoy is in the position for innovation.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:28 PM
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How about this.... if management is
“reading this” you all are in a position in which the bases are loaded, go for the pinch grand slam! If you DRASTICALLY improve QOL/reserve rules, flow, and a hefty increase in pay... you won’t really need to worry about staffing for years to come. Also, you’re taking care of employees. You scratch our back, we will scratch yours. bottom of the ninth gents. You don’t want a bunch of free agents running around.


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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:39 PM
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First minimum 20 percent increase to all current pay rates. Let the raises kick in and after that we can discuss other items. Management will use this to water down raises.
First the minimum 20 percent good faith raise then we talk later about other things.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
First minimum 20 percent increase to all current pay rates. Let the raises kick in and after that we can discuss other items. Management will use this to water down raises.
First the minimum 20 percent good faith raise then we talk later about other things.
Dude. STOP for the sake of all the Envoy pilots take a break from this.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 03:56 PM
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Mainline Group 1 rates and work rules. We operate a common type with the 190, and AAG is willing to pay their pilots that much to operate the 170/190 carrying their pax. THAT is my minimum.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 04:00 PM
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we did last time and everyone except newbies got screwed. You think I trust the mec, no I dont. Mec negotiates every day in the dark, away from the light of the membership. Why not ask the mec if the pilots will get a vote, word was no
No I will not stop stating the truth about envoy management and mec, how they negotiate in the dark.
Union that goes public, gains, those in the shadows shaft most.
Come out of the dark shadows union, this is like the bankruptcy negotiations.
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Old 05-08-2019 | 04:18 PM
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AA group 1 rates with a staple.

Nothing less
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Old 05-08-2019 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
AA group 1 rates with a staple.

Nothing less
Still at least 10% cheaper than AA with our 401K match
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