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Old 05-25-2019 | 09:37 AM
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Now imagine endeavor take home pay checks...you are welcome
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Old 05-25-2019 | 11:31 AM
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Mind blown indeed for about 1.5+ years now. I am not holding my breath. Clear as day what 6months should look like. Big changes do take time.

We all know Endeavor - the better organic pay rates (clear cut, no snake oil gimmicks). Better performance bonus rates, higher credits, plenty OT premiums/availability, schedule efficiencies, and a quality PBS system (good gate keepers so garbage does not get in). The better management to pilot group relations.

Granted DL makes it easy for Endeavor PBS gate keepers because DL gives them quality, & values the home team as family/employees above other outsourced carriers/strangers. “Seem” like AA gives strangers the fresh and healthy food first, while family/employees are then issued the left overs, the scraps to eat. It’s clear as day how it looks. Now, is that how your own family should be treated? Family? Clear as day, eye’s wide open. Clear to me Ed Bastian, DL/Endeavor leadership understands how you treat family/employees/your WO.


More mind blown facts @ Endeavor= Positive Space Travel to work (with commonsensical conditions) & Positive Space / DH to your home airport on company aircraft on your last day after a trip sequence. All bases.

My mind is getting blown as months & years carry on towards Endeavor’s favor and clear advantages over the AA-WO’s.

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Old 05-25-2019 | 12:27 PM
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This place is run by children who cannot play with others
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Old 05-25-2019 | 01:47 PM
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The more time that passes and the fact that PDT doesn’t have a deal done yet makes me think AAG blew their wad on the PSA pilots and hoped that the other two groups would just accept the first offers.
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Old 05-25-2019 | 05:43 PM
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Is it bad that I cracked a joke last week about going DEC at GoJet and now I'm thinking that $$$$$$ doesn't look so bad?
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Old 05-25-2019 | 06:50 PM
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The more time that passes and the fact that PDT doesn’t have a deal done yet makes me think AAG blew their wad on the PSA pilots and hoped that the other two groups would just accept the first offers.
I still don’t think we have the leverage Piedmont does. With all the RTP guys and cadets knocking on the front door, it may be a while before we see something substantial.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 01:32 AM
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If the company cannot release union PU for negotiations for staffing issues and they wont give raises because they're knocking the envoy door down to get hired, then someone is lying.
Me, I'm going with mgt lying, that's all they know.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Mind blown indeed for about 1.5+ years now. I am not holding my breath. Clear as day what 6months should look like. Big changes do take time.

We all know Endeavor - the better organic pay rates (clear cut, no snake oil gimmicks). Better performance bonus rates, higher credits, plenty OT premiums/availability, schedule efficiencies, and a quality PBS system (good gate keepers so garbage does not get in). The better management to pilot group relations.

Granted DL makes it easy for Endeavor PBS gate keepers because DL gives them quality, & values the home team as family/employees above other outsourced carriers/strangers. “Seem” like AA gives strangers the fresh and healthy food first, while family/employees are then issued the left overs, the scraps to eat. It’s clear as day how it looks. Now, is that how your own family should be treated? Family? Clear as day, eye’s wide open. Clear to me Ed Bastian, DL/Endeavor leadership understands how you treat family/employees/your WO.


More mind blown facts @ Endeavor= Positive Space Travel to work (with commonsensical conditions) & Positive Space / DH to your home airport on company aircraft on your last day after a trip sequence. All bases.

My mind is getting blown as months & years carry on towards Endeavor’s favor and clear advantages over the AA-WO’s.
You’re crazy or clueless if you think Delta treats Endeavor like, “family”. The real difference is in the management at the WO (or contract regional) level. Not at AAG. Not all management teams are created equal.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 09:31 AM
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True but incessant is wide spread in airline management.
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Old 05-26-2019 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
You’re crazy or clueless if you think Delta treats Endeavor like, “family”. The real difference is in the management at the WO (or contract regional) level. Not at AAG. Not all management teams are created equal.

[MENTION=40808]chrisreedrules[/MENTION] I’m not talking about the Flight Attendants or Ramp Agents, Gate Agents, Union vs Non Union fights. I’m not a flight Attendant I’m not a ramp rat.

I’m an highly educated, well training, highly tested PROFESSIONAL AIRLINE PILOT (no difference in the expectations of professionalism, safe operations, duty excellence, Airmanship, product & duty I provide vs mainline)!!!!


If you have examples on how Endeavor PILOTS are not treated better or like a part of DL family vs other FFD or WO please state so!!!!!


I have higher expectations. Period. Call me entitled. We should all feel more entitled in this regional industry because we are! Know your worth!

If you did your “carrier” would not have whipsawed the entire regional industry (EXPRESSJET, REPUBLIC, AMERICAN EAGLE, PDT, AIR WISCONSIN, COMMUTE AIR). Those pilot groups all stood together! Even signed agreement to toe the line and stand strong. PSA on the other hand did not sign. In fact PSA folded when the time came! We can not forget history!When everyone looked to you guys to stand strong with us (not just Eagle, but the rest of the industry pilot group listed above who took a stand against concessions). Your carrier folded! Period. Clueless? Ok.

Yes, [MENTION=40808]chrisreedrules[/MENTION], your carrier is still being rewarded. Congratulations-A*oles!!!!
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