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Old 07-02-2019 | 05:02 PM
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The raise that I have not gotten yet.
Yeah I haven’t gotten it either yet. WTH is going on
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Old 07-02-2019 | 05:40 PM
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I see this asked all the time and all the union says is "that's not how it's done."
It is because the MEC members don't want to lose their cushy union job where they get union leave and extravagant paid union meals on our dime. You think they are going to vote to replace themselves?
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Old 07-02-2019 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
It is because the MEC members don't want to lose their cushy union job where they get union leave and extravagant paid union meals on our dime. You think they are going to vote to replace themselves?
Don't forget the kush hotels. If it were up to me, id make them stay at the Holiday Inn Bedford until we get outta there
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Old 07-03-2019 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
It is because the MEC members don't want to lose their cushy union job where they get union leave and extravagant paid union meals on our dime. You think they are going to vote to replace themselves?
In all fairness, if they are going through anything like we did in 2013-2016 then they are missing a great deal of time at home with family. I used to go from flying a trip, to meetings in Dallas back to flying a trip, then representing a guy on first day off in NY CP office, then finally get home. It definitely takes a toll. We tried to not schedule meetings that would result in lots of FPL because frankly, we didn't have the budget for it. Often we'd get the company to do the meetings with them on SA to save the union money. AMR/AAG is masterful at making unions waste money. Part of their reason for endless CBA grievances is to deplete union assets in my opinion. Most regionals had shared ALPA attorneys. Eagle had so many grievances, CBA violations and arbitrations that National gave us two full time attorneys. Absolutely unheard of in the FFD segment, yet it happened.

If you do your union job, and do it well, you don't make any friends in management, and you end up looking over your shoulder all the time.

That said, the few at National are ridiculously overpaid in my opinion; and several of them should be required to go back and fly the line for a year before returning to union work.

The flip side is you are not dealing with ethical, honest or trustworthy managers or executives. Anybody volunteering to union work in that environment should be thanked for their service in my opinion. If that includes an occasional good meal together, that's okay. I still say they should buy their own booze though.
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Old 07-03-2019 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
In all fairness, if they are going through anything like we did in 2013-2016 then they are missing a great deal of time at home with family. I used to go from flying a trip, to meetings in Dallas back to flying a trip, then representing a guy on first day off in NY CP office, then finally get home. It definitely takes a toll. We tried to not schedule meetings that would result in lots of FPL because frankly, we didn't have the budget for it. Often we'd get the company to do the meetings with them on SA to save the union money. AMR/AAG is masterful at making unions waste money. Part of their reason for endless CBA grievances is to deplete union assets in my opinion. Most regionals had shared ALPA attorneys. Eagle had so many grievances, CBA violations and arbitrations that National gave us two full time attorneys. Absolutely unheard of in the FFD segment, yet it happened.

If you do your union job, and do it well, you don't make any friends in management, and you end up looking over your shoulder all the time.

That said, the few at National are ridiculously overpaid in my opinion; and several of them should be required to go back and fly the line for a year before returning to union work.

The flip side is you are not dealing with ethical, honest or trustworthy managers or executives. Anybody volunteering to union work in that environment should be thanked for their service in my opinion. If that includes an occasional good meal together, that's okay. I still say they should buy their own booze though.
By and large, booze is paid for by each individual when the group does go out. In terms of hotels, well they negotiate that outside of the company, its not API getting them, so of course they will be better.
All of this to say, that I still think we need non-company negotiators.
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Old 07-03-2019 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
It is because the MEC members don't want to lose their cushy union job where they get union leave and extravagant paid union meals on our dime. You think they are going to vote to replace themselves?
You could easily replace them if you cared to. Hell, if any relatively small group of pilots came to a meeting and/or voted, they could elect different LEC reps. For some reason, no one cares to do that. Probably because your misrepresentation of what they do and how they spend your money doesn't align with reality.
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Old 07-03-2019 | 12:24 PM
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Since the company pulled the AIP union should go after more, AIP plus increase the minimum flow for the next flow group!!!
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Old 07-03-2019 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
Since the company pulled the AIP union should go after more, AIP plus increase the minimum flow for the next flow group!!!
Dream on, dreamer.
That's the stuff that you do during negotiations. This is happening way before our contract is amendable.
I hope they don't slow down the progress to demand something they simply won't get.
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Old 07-03-2019 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Dream on, dreamer.
That's the stuff that you do during negotiations. This is happening way before our contract is amendable.
I hope they don't slow down the progress to demand something they simply won't get.
[Views expressed by dera are those of Envoy MGT/recruiting]
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Old 07-03-2019 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
[Views expressed by dera are those of Envoy MGT/recruiting]
Yep.

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