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Old 06-29-2019 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
This outcome was as predictable as the one with the new reserve rules that were supposed to happen. All the P2P guys ran around telling folk that its coming and just a matter of putting it in language.

Then boom, they retracted after months of negotiating and NADA.

Now the same **** again signed AIP or not, Union got played, and they did not learn their lesson from the last time they got played.

It's a complete **** show from the union, take a lesson or something in how to deal with hostile management from the pros. But stop whining after you got played and stop the cooldown excuse.

Get educated and get it right the next time ... I mean we are paying a lot in dues EVERY paycheck and that is the best we get ... come on.
We get it, you’re a union can do no right, management can do no wrong kinda guy.

As such, I don’t care.

AIP please.
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Old 06-29-2019 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
Pay negotiations...industry leading?

Big Flow delays ahead

QOL issues

Reserv Issues

Employee Morale all time low

Flight Attendant contract / pay issues

Where is the union communications on these issues to the pilot group?
"but Embry Riddle promised I'd be at mainline by now!"
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Old 06-29-2019 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
This outcome was as predictable as the one with the new reserve rules that were supposed to happen. All the P2P guys ran around telling folk that its coming and just a matter of putting it in language.

Then boom, they retracted after months of negotiating and NADA.

Now the same **** again signed AIP or not, Union got played, and they did not learn their lesson from the last time they got played.

It's a complete **** show from the union, take a lesson or something in how to deal with hostile management from the pros. But stop whining after you got played and stop the cooldown excuse.

Get educated and get it right the next time ... I mean we are paying a lot in dues EVERY paycheck and that is the best we get ... come on.
Yea, it’s not quite as simple as you want to think it is, especially when your management is playing hardball and has all the cards. Not sure what you think your union leadership can do to change anything right now. The reality is that the only thing management will react to, in terms of better pay and work rules, is staffing becoming critical (in their eyes, not yours) due to classes not being filled. When that happens, then you can expect management to work with you to some extent.
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Old 06-29-2019 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
Yea, it’s not quite as simple as you want to think it is, especially when your management is playing hardball and has all the cards.
Well said, which is exactly why a “cool down period” will accomplish nothing.
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Old 06-29-2019 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by martyByrde
Well said, which is exactly why a “cool down period” will accomplish nothing.
Sooooo, what is YOUR suggestion, marty?
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Old 06-29-2019 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Sooooo, what is YOUR suggestion, marty?
It depends. If the desired outcome is “wait and see what happens” with no specific timeframe, then a “cool-down” makes perfect sense. If the desired outcome is lower new-hire class sizes. Maybe marketing/education (billboards, Facebook ads, ADs on APC, etc.) would be a better use of union resources.
Personally, I’d rather see my union dues spent on negative advertising, instead of donut parties in the crew room, and do-nothing “cool-down” PUB events at Red Robin.
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Old 06-29-2019 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
Yea, it’s not quite as simple as you want to think it is, especially when your management is playing hardball and has all the cards. Not sure what you think your union leadership can do to change anything right now. The reality is that the only thing management will react to, in terms of better pay and work rules, is staffing becoming critical (in their eyes, not yours) due to classes not being filled. When that happens, then you can expect management to work with you to some extent.
The management playing hardball??? you don't say Captain obvious, I think we can agree that they have been doing that for years. My point is the union keeps falling for it time and time again and should have known better after the Reserve rules debacle. Hence my comment to get some education from folks that know what they are doing when it comes to hostile management. But then again, our Union leadership is about to flow, so can't ruffle too many feathers cause that could affect that ...
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Old 06-29-2019 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by martyByrde
It depends. If the desired outcome is “wait and see what happens” with no specific timeframe, then a “cool-down” makes perfect sense. If the desired outcome is lower new-hire class sizes. Maybe marketing/education (billboards, Facebook ads, ADs on APC, etc.) would be a better use of union resources.
Personally, I’d rather see my union dues spent on negative advertising, instead of donut parties in the crew room, and do-nothing “cool-down” PUB events at Red Robin.
I have been talking to reps and said the same exact thing. The short answer was "it would be upsetting management and we can't have that " ... go figure
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Old 06-29-2019 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO
I have been talking to reps and said the same exact thing. The short answer was "it would be upsetting management and we can't have that " ... go figure
What are they going to do? Not allow people to flow? Oh wait, that’s already happening.
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Old 06-29-2019 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by martyByrde
What are they going to do? Not allow people to flow? Oh wait, that’s already happening.
Could you elaborate on that? I haven’t heard anything to that effect.
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