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06-28-2019 | 12:10 PM

#111

uavking

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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader

So you want the union to go running back to them and offer things to give up in order to get it done? The company needs this to get done more than we need it. They’re the ones who are going to see their staffing levels take a dive. It shouldn’t be up to ALPA to offer to give anything up that was agreed to. It’s not your fault or mine that Envoy screwed the pooch.

^^This

Concessions of any sort shouldn't be in anyone's vocabulary in this environment. Especially since management will doubly take advantage next time. Hold the line.

06-28-2019 | 01:01 PM

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martyByrde

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Especially since management will doubly take advantage next time. Hold the line.

Management is already “taking advantage” of the lowest paid and best performing WO.

06-28-2019 | 03:15 PM

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I am going to say there is a 50/50 at fault here - the union went too far, should have just asked for no concessions and straight up pay increases only. That's what PSA and Piedmont got.

While it would have been nice, now we are getting delayed even further on the pay ...

06-28-2019 | 03:22 PM

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Don't worry, you'll get back pay. Then you can go and buy yourself a new jetski.

06-28-2019 | 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO

Regardless of who is at fault, I believe the union doesn't know what to do. The answer to failed negotiations can’t be a do-nothing, business as usual, “cool down period.” And if the union is banking on low new-hire turnout to become their leverage, don’t forget what happened when the company needed DECs.

06-28-2019 | 03:35 PM

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So the union should just roll over because others took the first shiny toy pit in front of them?

Fact is they had a signed deal and the company reneged.

06-28-2019 | 03:41 PM

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We came too close to getting the goods to take concessions for the pay now. There’s blood in the rock, the NC found it.

06-28-2019 | 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LowvalueFO

I am going to say there is a 50/50 at fault here - the union went too far, should have just asked for no concessions and straight up pay increases only. That's what PSA and Piedmont got.
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There’s really A LOT more to it than just a “pay increase” let the union do their thing.