I just finished a PC recently, and from my understanding they are waiting for the final approval from the FAA. It will start with recurrent before initial training. I doubt you’ll see it in the next few months, but you’ll probably see it for your first recurrent.

 

Like I said before I know many E75 captains in their 30s leaving for ULCC’s and growing ACMI’s. I flew with one recently leaving here to go to a local 135 gig as he was tired of CS’s abuse and the time away from his family. It would be foolish to wait for a 6 plus year flow.

 

No one should be thinking of staying if any thing other than a RJ is on the line.

 

I have to strongly disagree with the opinions here that are in favor of leaving Envoy for a ULCC. Take Spirit for example since they have been discussed. They have a terrible reputation with customer service, charge exorbitant fees for everything and are delay and cancel prone. Plus their payrates are bottom of the barrel and I wouldn't touch their contract with a 10 foot pole. They seem to be riding high, for now. However, toss in a recession and you could show up to work at a place like that and find yourself furloughed or worse, find the doors locked. To give up a sure seat at American Airlines, for that….is the definition of insanity. AA isn’t going anywhere and is the closest thing to lifetime employment that you can find in the year 2020.

 

Yet everything I read predicts LCCs to be in a great spot, should a recession hit, since most of their revenue is ancillary sales. Unlike AA/UA/DL, where more of the profit comes from ticket sales. What do you think people flock to when they have less money? There's a reason Spirit has been growing like crazy. People are ok with the things you listed, as long as it's at a good enough price.

And I'm genuinely curious what you mean about the contract. Their pay rates (outside of maybe the first year) are pretty darn good, well above what people would make at any of the wholly owneds, and their 401(K) DC is making it's way up to the same percentage as mainline. That's something you don't see at any regional. Maybe there's something else there I don't know about?

I've got friends there who genuinely like it, and I can't blame them. I know you normally just come in to try and sell Envoy to people who might be reading these forums to get an idea where to apply, but some of the stuff you said is so far off base, I'm kinda scratching my head.

 

So. Based on the source and content of this rant, I feel very confident and affirmed in my decision to apply with Spirit.

 

A perfect description of American Airlines.

 

Fixed it for you....

If companies maximize their short-term gain at employees’ expense, shouldn’t pilots maximize their economic situation?

Personally I discount the value of anything promised me that is more than a decade or more away at near -0-...unless it’s a pension ... oh wait....!

 

He’s a new hire FO that has been chugging the kool aid at Envoy. We have so many Envoy guys here who don’t want to wait for their 8 year flow and are living life. My sim partner is an ex-Envoy capt. I couldn’t believe some of the stories he told me and how he was treated.

Anyways water is great at Spirit. Night and day from any regional. Breath of fresh air not worrying about the whipsaw.

 

I would agree that AA isn't going anywhere... but then again no one thought that Pan Am or Eastern or TWA were going anywhere either. Just sayin'