It doesn't need selling. Neither does Delta & United.... but you sure are on all the forums trying to sell the AA flow as rational for accepting very sub standard:
wages, work rules, working conditions and treatment by management....

They are still working under reserve rules from the old 16 year CBA. Six years after 117 came in, with no serious attempt to rewrite.... and why? Because the language is so swiss cheese, that management can do whatever they want, whenever they want. Even line holders are basically reserve and subject to reassignment now. Yeah, that's a great quality of life.... hence why they need guys like you trying to sell it for them non-stop. They paying you for it yet?

They could get so many more pilots just by a few simple no cost and low cost changes to how they treat people. Places like Republic do not even have Airport Standby Ready Reserve, meanwhile Envoy can't run without several Ready Reserves in each base. That one issue alone screams mismanagement and incompetence.

All of the problems at Envoy are directly attributable to those in the supervisory and upper management positions. They can oil the machine, but they don't know how it's built.

The pilots are there to work, build hours and experience and to move upward in their careers. There is no excuse for how this management group treats their pilots. It has gotten better, but only by being forced to, not through the wisdom of seeing what changes were needed in advance.

 

Cujo665,

We need brave men like you in our Union! Semper Fi!

 

He was in our union. Now with another company.

 

Accurate post, he was basically run out of the company by management for being too effective as a status rep/union volunteer.

 

Wasn't there a little something about using sick time while on vacation?..

 

No, there wasn't. There was a pattern of harassment of union officials by the company. There was taking a vacation and them not allowing a vacation slide, PO, PVD, PE or anything else to cover the few days that weren't covered by vacation time.

Rule #2 of the company says not to be away from work without providing notice. Notice was provided in person that I would not be there the days that were not covered. Therefore the rule was not violated. Rule #2 also says three or more missed assignments is grounds for termination. While the Chief Pilots office could not tell me what the punishment would be for a missed assignment, (not plural since he expected - as I did - that the block of days would be treated as one event) they were fully aware I wouldn't be there those days.

The company policy has steps of discipline. I was fully prepared for the appropriate discipline to keep my family commitment. Between work and the rush of union work, the bankruptcy and CBA negotiations that year, I missed almost every family event of the year. That vacation was also a family reunion. Missing it was not an option if staying married was important.

The company decided to record the single block of missed assignments as separate events each day, rather than as a single event for the block of days which is how they do sick time, missed blocks of 4 day trips and so on. In my case, they recorded them separately and used Rule #2 saying I had three or more consecutive MA's.
They then violated their progressive discipline policy again and said take a CDD or termination. With a family to feed on the meager Eagle wages, I took the CDD for one year. I'm sure being a commuter they expected me to have a MA within the year. Didn't happen.

I could list the many times they removed me from flying to "investigate" violations that they could have resolved with a phone call, or a stop by the CP office. Nope, they'd rather put the PW (paid withheld from service - in other words suspended from flight duty) on your record many times to help their fabricated cases later. They even left one in my file after I gave them documentation proving them wrong, including AA D2 records showing I arrived ready for duty well in advance of a report time.

Eagle/Envoy has fired 4 different union MEC members. One was fired 7 times. Two were fired two times (includes me) and one was fired once. During the heated contract negotiations of 2013-2015 there were two of the seven MEC members fired. Coincidentally these were the two MEC reps who most actively fought for the pilots and against company abuses.

It was still a good company. It still is today. The few executives and managers who take things personally are the biggest problem there. The coworkers were and are some of the best aviators and friends I have ever known. The camaraderie and friendships I made there have endured to this day. I still have many friends there, many in management (though they don't publicly admit it) and many who like myself have moved on to better jobs.

MEGAFUPM, I hope this answered your questions. If not feel free to PM me.

 

Spoken


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Nothing gets Envoy panties wetter than the thought of taking CP’s 175s.

 

They are Envoy's 175's. CPZ took them after Envoy voted no on a concessionary contract.

 

Hmmmm. It would seem you are confused. They have always been Eagle planes, Compass ended up with them because AA spanked us for not playing ball.