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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2958891)

Simple. Retirements. Go take a look at the AA retirements over the next 3 years alone and get back to me. The flow will be enhanced greatly. For one, look at the loads of pipeline instructor talent Envoy has on the sideline matriculating in as fast as training can CURRENTLY process them. Those guys are being hired for American Airlines and as I've said before, Envoy has the corner market on the pipeline program. It has proven to be the best thing since sliced bread. I'm personally an advocate of Envoy hiring ONLY pipeline candidates. Why hire a military guy who just needs to get the 121 time on the resume and will leave soon after? Or, is it necessary to hire Jim Bob Moses who has been flying a Baron for Wildcatter Oil as an Envoy/AA pilot? The answer is no. He doesn't fit the mold at all. And with the pipeline numbers in the waiting room, there are your AA pilots.

THKooj,

Can you please have a meeting with your contacts to give us “The Envoy” pilots an AA # now, so we don’t jump ship for a moms and pops joint like an ACMI or ULCC.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2953172)

No. You aren't accurate. Previous poster correct. MIA set to grow.

According to the new vacancy, you're wrong.

You're a sock/troll account anyways.

Anyways, to get this forum back on track, any potential New Hires can expect the 175.

102 175 FO slots
55 145 FO slots
Nothing for NY either, not that it'd be hard to transfer there if you want it.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2958891)

You are not wrong that AA needs more pilots. No one will debate that. But NONE of the majors have a problem hiring enough people.
Everyone knows the flow is not to staff AA.
That doesn’t explain the math of how Envoy gets them there. Especially doesn’t explain how you can decrease the amount of time when hiring twice as many as flowing.

But with the new vacancy, as well as the line count forecast, just proved you wrong about MIA, so I guess your info is, as everyone has said, nothing but BS propaganda.

You admitted you were a little bit of a KoolAid drinker. Maybe you need your memory refreshed. There were only a few that survived and they DIDN’T drink the KoolAid. They escaped. So you just keep chug a lugging.

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Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed (Post 2958926)

Anyways, to get this forum back on track, any potential New Hires can expect the 175.

102 175 FO slots
55 145 FO slots
Nothing for NY either, not that it'd be hard to transfer there if you want it.

Those slots are more for facilitating base transfers. They can quickly become meaningless when new hires show up to class. New hires should still expect ORD 175 and LGA 145 for the near future.

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Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2958967)

Those slots are more for facilitating base transfers. They can quickly become meaningless when new hires show up to class. New hires should still expect ORD 175 and LGA 145 for the near future.

LGA has more than double the FOs as lines. LGA is as overstaffed as possible.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2958891)

Except the fact that AA released numbers for hiring and it accounts for 20/month flow from Envoy and massive off the street hiring. So who's lying, you or AA?

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Originally Posted by rkd19 (Post 2959114)

Except the fact that AA released numbers for hiring and it accounts for 20/month flow from Envoy and massive off the street hiring. So who's lying, you or AA?

The question is will AA start hiring more from MQ. That’s the only way a 5-6 year flow makes sense

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Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2959149)

The question is will AA start hiring more from MQ. That’s the only way a 5-6 year flow makes sense

Envoy pilots getting hired off the street decreases flow, not increase. Since we will be flowing based on the lower of a percentage of pilots on the seniority list. If we got all the way down to 480 pilots at Envoy it would still be an 8 year flow, becauce it's the lesser of pilots on property or based on 25% of Americans hiring, not the greater of. After DOS guys leaving above you does nothing to help your flow date.

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Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2959079)

LGA has more than double the FOs as lines. LGA is as overstaffed as possible.

Right, but with this bid, several LGA FO's will transfer to other bases leaving backfills to be filled by new hires. Every FO position has at least 1 reserve for every 2 lineholders. Over staffing is the Envoy way.