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MEGAFUPM 01-18-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2959382)
Thanks for that, sadly looking like 200's range is where we need to be to flow out. That is a long road to look down for a new hire coming in at 2000.

The only redeeming/hopeful factor is the fact over half our pilots have been on property for 2 years or less. I think 2020 will be very telling in how the next 3-5 years will play out.

BrntToast 01-18-2020 09:18 AM

Try to be positive.Things are so much better for everyone on property now, and I know it will continue to improve. I’m flowing next week. Good luck to everyone. Keep improving our workplace. Honestly, I see why some people stay, making 6 figures, on brand new equipment, 16-18 days off, completely commutable schedule, OT 150-200%. I’ve had that for nearly the last 2 years. Now it’s your turn. I’m out of your way. Time to be bottom of 15,000, covering 3 bases in a crashpad.

pitchattitude 01-18-2020 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2959382)
Thanks for that, sadly looking like 200's range is where we need to be to flow out. That is a long road to look down for a new hire coming in at 2000.

You mean a new hire coming in at 2500 plus.

THKooj 01-18-2020 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2958965)
You are not wrong that AA needs more pilots. No one will debate that. But NONE of the majors have a problem hiring enough people.
Everyone knows the flow is not to staff AA.
That doesn’t explain the math of how Envoy gets them there. Especially doesn’t explain how you can decrease the amount of time when hiring twice as many as flowing.

But with the new vacancy, as well as the line count forecast, just proved you wrong about MIA, so I guess your info is, as everyone has said, nothing but BS propaganda.

You admitted you were a little bit of a KoolAid drinker. Maybe you need your memory refreshed. There were only a few that survived and they DIDN’T drink the KoolAid. They escaped. So you just keep chug a lugging.

Nope. Not wrong about anything. It's strategic. In other words, getting the bodies where they need to be first. MIA expansion will happen. Just not on your timetable.

dera 01-18-2020 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2959519)
You mean a new hire coming in at 2500 plus.

Just over 2400 at the moment. It will take a long time to hit 2500.

pitchattitude 01-18-2020 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2959583)
Just over 2400 at the moment. It will take a long time to hit 2500.

Actual body count is closer to 2400. But seniority numbers, depending on when you look at it and the source reaches 2600.

pitchattitude 01-18-2020 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2959547)
Nope. Not wrong about anything. It's strategic. In other words, getting the bodies where they need to be first. MIA expansion will happen. Just not on your timetable.

I don’t have a timetable. How long do we have to wait for YOUR time table, BRAH? You have never explained how the flow is going to get to the level you claim. Put up or SHUT UP, troll.

dera 01-18-2020 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2959596)
Actual body count is closer to 2400. But seniority numbers, depending on when you look at it and the source reaches 2600.

DECS numbers don't matter. They always run behind. The actual body count is what matters for flow.

Aeromech 01-18-2020 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by BrntToast (Post 2959435)
Try to be positive.Things are so much better for everyone on property now, and I know it will continue to improve. I’m flowing next week. Good luck to everyone. Keep improving our workplace. Honestly, I see why some people stay, making 6 figures, on brand new equipment, 16-18 days off, completely commutable schedule, OT 150-200%. I’ve had that for nearly the last 2 years. Now it’s your turn. I’m out of your way. Time to be bottom of 15,000, covering 3 bases in a crashpad.

The one positive post in a sea of negativity!

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CaseTractor 01-21-2020 06:26 AM

After spending hours highlighting important info to study in the FM1, and to operate safely, I'm feeling super jaded that the company decided to take "extreme ownership" and push a new version with the only real change that M H uniforms are the only authorized uniform. That's real value added.

does the AA FM1 go down to that detail?

I feel this is posturing for something being preceded by all the HI6 messages. You're not wearing the wrong belt, you are operating the aircraft against the FM1 policy in your disciplinary letter.

its frustrating when 99% have good intentions, but it creates a divide for those who do have good will and intentions.


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